Protomotive k24/20g 700+ setup
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DK996TT,
hello,
Can you please clarify if you have the K24/18g's or 20g's?
Also, do you have upgraded throttle body, extra fuel pump, etc that would be typical
of Protomotive's package like mine or is yours just turbos and programming (or somewhere in between).
I also wondered about the 20g versus the GT30r's.
BTW for comparison sake I will give you guys top secret info that no other tuner provides:
K16 == 25lbs each
K24 == 30 lbs each
GT28 (ala Speed Gallery and GT700) == ?
K24/18g == 36-40 lbs
K24/20g == 40-45 lbs
Scott Divexxtremes GT3076R's == 52 lbs compressors (these are mine now
)
hello,
Can you please clarify if you have the K24/18g's or 20g's?
Also, do you have upgraded throttle body, extra fuel pump, etc that would be typical
of Protomotive's package like mine or is yours just turbos and programming (or somewhere in between).
I also wondered about the 20g versus the GT30r's.
BTW for comparison sake I will give you guys top secret info that no other tuner provides:
K16 == 25lbs each
K24 == 30 lbs each
GT28 (ala Speed Gallery and GT700) == ?
K24/18g == 36-40 lbs
K24/20g == 40-45 lbs
Scott Divexxtremes GT3076R's == 52 lbs compressors (these are mine now
)
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It's at least $10K if you have a tuner do it.
$2500 for 2 Turbos
$780 for 2 Tial WGs
$2500 for custom exhaust
$2200 for custom headers
$2500 for all the labor and watercooling.
trust me when I say it's not that easy.. especially if u never did one. You can't use stock headers... u chop the flanges and make new headers... but that is after u fasten sudccessfully these garrett turbos... bend all the oil and catch can return lines... run water lines, tap into the motor block... redrill the holes on the catch can so it fits the garret turbo.... do some welding.. and then make an exhaust...
For an average weekend wrencher this is far beyond realization.... But for an experienced welder/ tuner it may be doable...
Instead, for $1000 or less u upgade to 20gs and have 670 rwhp on high boost(1.5 bars).... you cant beat it. I drove the only k24/20g in existence and I was shocked. U keep ur headers and exhaust- no welding nor watercooling required.. its a direct replacement.
Sure you get more lag( 2 or 3 hundred rpms vs 18g) but when does one get on a car below 3K? I never did even when I had K16 based Hybrids...
I'm basing my opinion stricky on a cost to benefit ration since the original thread was about upgrading to 20gs...
markski
$2500 for 2 Turbos
$780 for 2 Tial WGs
$2500 for custom exhaust
$2200 for custom headers
$2500 for all the labor and watercooling.
trust me when I say it's not that easy.. especially if u never did one. You can't use stock headers... u chop the flanges and make new headers... but that is after u fasten sudccessfully these garrett turbos... bend all the oil and catch can return lines... run water lines, tap into the motor block... redrill the holes on the catch can so it fits the garret turbo.... do some welding.. and then make an exhaust...
For an average weekend wrencher this is far beyond realization.... But for an experienced welder/ tuner it may be doable...
Instead, for $1000 or less u upgade to 20gs and have 670 rwhp on high boost(1.5 bars).... you cant beat it. I drove the only k24/20g in existence and I was shocked. U keep ur headers and exhaust- no welding nor watercooling required.. its a direct replacement.
Sure you get more lag( 2 or 3 hundred rpms vs 18g) but when does one get on a car below 3K? I never did even when I had K16 based Hybrids...
I'm basing my opinion stricky on a cost to benefit ration since the original thread was about upgrading to 20gs...
markski
Marski
Exhaust, headers and watercooling are needed for higher power regardless the kind of turbos you use. The word "custom" pays for itself.
That said, I wouldn't recommend GT30 on stock motor anyhow.
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DK996TT,
hello,
Can you please clarify if you have the K24/18g's or 20g's?
Also, do you have upgraded throttle body, extra fuel pump, etc that would be typical
of Protomotive's package like mine or is yours just turbos and programming (or somewhere in between).
I also wondered about the 20g versus the GT30r's.
BTW for comparison sake I will give you guys top secret info that no other tuner provides:
K16 == 25lbs each
K24 == 30 lbs each
GT28 (ala Speed Gallery and GT700) == ?
K24/18g == 36-40 lbs
K24/20g == 40-45 lbs
Scott Divexxtremes GT3076R's == 52 lbs compressors (these are mine now)
hello,
Can you please clarify if you have the K24/18g's or 20g's?
Also, do you have upgraded throttle body, extra fuel pump, etc that would be typical
of Protomotive's package like mine or is yours just turbos and programming (or somewhere in between).
I also wondered about the 20g versus the GT30r's.
BTW for comparison sake I will give you guys top secret info that no other tuner provides:
K16 == 25lbs each
K24 == 30 lbs each
GT28 (ala Speed Gallery and GT700) == ?
K24/18g == 36-40 lbs
K24/20g == 40-45 lbs
Scott Divexxtremes GT3076R's == 52 lbs compressors (these are mine now
)
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sorry, must have been really tired when i posted. i have 18g's. i think with the 20g's you need cams and valve train to spin the motor at least to 8000 rpms to get the full benefits of the turbos. otherwise it will be like as soon as the turbos start to hit their sweet spot, it will be time to shift. 18g's would be the better way to go with stock internals for street drivability. imo.
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Do you have the 20gs???? I am getting them and would like feedback from someone that has/had them.... like differences vs a 18gs car??? I know there is a tad more lag or the turbos get their full power a little latter down the revs.... Are the differences vs a 18g car big, noticeable? or are they very similar cars?....
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Do you have the 20gs???? I am getting them and would like feedback from someone that has/had them.... like differences vs a 18gs car??? I know there is a tad more lag or the turbos get their full power a little latter down the revs.... Are the differences vs a 18g car big, noticeable? or are they very similar cars?....
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Hey guys,
I would like to know if anyone here is running these turbos. I'm trying to get some more power without having to spend alot more. I know GT30's would be better but its alot more money to convert and would be putting alot of stress on my stock internals. I would appreciate any info on this setup.
Thanks
Raudel
I would like to know if anyone here is running these turbos. I'm trying to get some more power without having to spend alot more. I know GT30's would be better but its alot more money to convert and would be putting alot of stress on my stock internals. I would appreciate any info on this setup.
Thanks
Raudel
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50 HP on Protomotive's Dyno.
I have the 18g's. You must run race gas and 1.3 bar + to see the real sweet spot
of the 20g's. They flow 44 lbs/minute each as compared to the 18g's which flow 40 per/min.
MK
I have the 18g's. You must run race gas and 1.3 bar + to see the real sweet spot
of the 20g's. They flow 44 lbs/minute each as compared to the 18g's which flow 40 per/min.
MK
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Todd K said that the 20g's would work awsome IF u get fuel system , bigger coolers , bigger Maf....etc
20g's would pulls MUCH HARDER on top-end and the highest boost would be 1.5bar and yes no need forged internals or cams.
BTW Robert
The compressors on Anothny 997 car is same size as 16g's.
20g's would pulls MUCH HARDER on top-end and the highest boost would be 1.5bar and yes no need forged internals or cams.
BTW Robert
The compressors on Anothny 997 car is same size as 16g's
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My friend 997tt ( same Anothny mods except headers )
http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p16/crankensteinuae/?action=view¤t=MOV00039-1.flv
214.5mph on 106F ( on pump gas )...If noticed the boost dropped littel bit coz there is a leak ( we found it later )
This car is tiptronic.
When winter come my friend will make a test against Jean monster car ( i know he car beat us but it would be a test ).
Next mods intercoolers
http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p16/crankensteinuae/?action=view¤t=MOV00039-1.flv
214.5mph on 106F ( on pump gas )...If noticed the boost dropped littel bit coz there is a leak ( we found it later )
This car is tiptronic
.When winter come my friend will make a test against Jean monster car ( i know he car beat us but it would be a test ).
Next mods intercoolers
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Marty,
I think it would help you to get into the 200mph club with the 20g....Just do it
I think it would help you to get into the 200mph club with the 20g....Just do it
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My friend 997tt ( same Anothny mods except headers )
http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p16/crankensteinuae/?action=view¤t=MOV00039-1.flv
214.5mph on 106F ( on pump gas )...If noticed the boost dropped littel bit coz there is a leak ( we found it later )
This car is tiptronic.
When winter come my friend will make a test against Jean monster car ( i know he car beat us but it would be a test ).
Next mods intercoolers
http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p16/crankensteinuae/?action=view¤t=MOV00039-1.flv
214.5mph on 106F ( on pump gas )...If noticed the boost dropped littel bit coz there is a leak ( we found it later )
This car is tiptronic
.When winter come my friend will make a test against Jean monster car ( i know he car beat us but it would be a test ).
Next mods intercoolers