997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
I come back to this after a few days, and all i see are the same members bagging the GTR. Like i said earlier, haters will always be haters. Nothing will change that. Even if the GTR is the fastest, cheapest, prettiest, most fuel efficient, most reliable and safest car on the planet - there will always be haters. Haters don't follow logic. Amen.
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I come back to this after a few days, and all i see are the same members bagging the GTR. Like i said earlier, haters will always be haters. Nothing will change that. Even if the GTR is the fastest, cheapest, prettiest, most fuel efficient, most reliable and safest car on the planet - there will always be haters. Haters don't follow logic. Amen.
Well, news flash, Nissan has finally improved the GTR's ability to consistently run 7:29's at the ring. The new software comes with every GTR allowing the GTR owner to run as fast as the ringer GTR. Check it out, this new system comes integrated into every GTR console....
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He's playing word games, no Nissan delevered means not sold in UK but there have been imported GT-R's there for some time. And Nissan agreed to fix some of the broken ones under warranty to keep the matter hush hush until US release. But simply put even the grey market GT-R's have been breaking too. Fail trannies.
Why would Nissan get involved in a warranty claim on a grey import?
Pure internet nonsense.
I do know what I'm talking about. Go ask your buddies at Nagtroc if Nissan didnt agree to fix at least one grey market import just to keep the matter hushed until US release. And why the recall in all of Japan was kept so quiet. It had to cost them a fortune. They have really blow the doors wide open in making a car that loses money.
Quacker then don't come back.. Simple ain't it?
ChrisN - I did not know that NAGTROC spoke for the masses when it comes to problems? Can you tell me how many members on that board actually own a GTR R35? Then gauge for me how many had problems with tranny, oil temps, limp modes.
You will see that you are using a very small sampling of data.
What ever happened to the PDK Porsche Guy over at gearheads with the reported lemon? Hmmm he was never heard from again. Did the problem really exist?
ChrisN - I did not know that NAGTROC spoke for the masses when it comes to problems? Can you tell me how many members on that board actually own a GTR R35? Then gauge for me how many had problems with tranny, oil temps, limp modes.
You will see that you are using a very small sampling of data.
What ever happened to the PDK Porsche Guy over at gearheads with the reported lemon? Hmmm he was never heard from again. Did the problem really exist?
So how do you know for certain that these cars were launced 50 times +?
VDC off = a pleasure drive for some people through the mountains. Are they saying you can't?
Then there are people over at NAGTROC saying they can count the number of LC's.
So there is not a definative YES OR NO they can or cannot count LC's?
The guy who first claimed problems over at NAGTROC said that Nissan could not count the LC's but denied him warranty on the tranny due VDC being off and his tranny blew when it was off.
Then people over a NAGTROC jumped all over him and EXPERTS said their friends at NISSAN such as yours told him they can count the number of LC's. So either the EXPERTS at not EXPERTS, NISSAN folks are NOT EXPERTS or NISSAN is LYING. Which one is it?
VDC off = a pleasure drive for some people through the mountains. Are they saying you can't?
Then there are people over at NAGTROC saying they can count the number of LC's.
So there is not a definative YES OR NO they can or cannot count LC's?
The guy who first claimed problems over at NAGTROC said that Nissan could not count the LC's but denied him warranty on the tranny due VDC being off and his tranny blew when it was off.
Then people over a NAGTROC jumped all over him and EXPERTS said their friends at NISSAN such as yours told him they can count the number of LC's. So either the EXPERTS at not EXPERTS, NISSAN folks are NOT EXPERTS or NISSAN is LYING. Which one is it?
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Maybe Borg was told to build it to these specs and cut corners to get the price point. Who knows. I would hope not for the sake of Borg.
I hope they keep it around but I would like for them to give it to Infinity to service.
I hope they keep it around but I would like for them to give it to Infinity to service.
So how do you know for certain that these cars were launced 50 times +?
VDC off = a pleasure drive for some people through the mountains. Are they saying you can't?
Then there are people over at NAGTROC saying they can count the number of LC's.
So there is not a definative YES OR NO they can or cannot count LC's?
The guy who first claimed problems over at NAGTROC said that Nissan could not count the LC's but denied him warranty on the tranny due VDC being off and his tranny blew when it was off.
Then people over a NAGTROC jumped all over him and EXPERTS said their friends at NISSAN such as yours told him they can count the number of LC's. So either the EXPERTS at not EXPERTS, NISSAN folks are NOT EXPERTS or NISSAN is LYING. Which one is it?
VDC off = a pleasure drive for some people through the mountains. Are they saying you can't?
Then there are people over at NAGTROC saying they can count the number of LC's.
So there is not a definative YES OR NO they can or cannot count LC's?
The guy who first claimed problems over at NAGTROC said that Nissan could not count the LC's but denied him warranty on the tranny due VDC being off and his tranny blew when it was off.
Then people over a NAGTROC jumped all over him and EXPERTS said their friends at NISSAN such as yours told him they can count the number of LC's. So either the EXPERTS at not EXPERTS, NISSAN folks are NOT EXPERTS or NISSAN is LYING. Which one is it?
Of course I don't know about the 50+ --- as I explained before, I was told "many many more than 30"-- 50 is my guess. You can make your own guess.
The most senior person in the U.S. that Nissan allows to talk to consumers (Anna N) is not that senior and not that knowledgeable, but she does take specific Qs, run them by HQ and come back with answers. She told me that they cannot DIRECTLY count LCs, but the black box DOES directly track VDC off time and other metrics which they use to determine abuse.
VDC off and/or LC does not void warranty, but it does turn off all the self-protect stuff on the car. In that mode, the car is ***** out and harsh abuse can damage things. In which case, things aren't covered under warranty. Is this kosher? I don't know.
I just dont think either side of this stupid debate should exaggerate.






