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Old Dec 8, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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This is a very interesting thread and educational as well. Took me a whole night to read through. Thanks guys !!
 
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This is a very interesting thread and educational as well. Took me a whole night to read through. Thanks guys !!
Agreed. I've learned a lot. Not sure if I can put it to any good use, but it sure is fun.
 
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dude, meth injection is like running race gas. A car tuned on meth is like a car tuned on C16, except better because meth cools off the engine. Now that explains how the car ran what it did. I was actually thinking it was a freak car. lol
Actually our highest trap yet (129.5) came before we put the meth kit on the car. I've been dying to take it off the car but my mechanic insisted on it until we can get to a dyno a properly tune the car. (He wanted to make extra sure we avoided detonation.)

I can assure you, this meth kit IS robbing the car of torque.
 
Old Dec 9, 2008 | 06:52 AM
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How does Meth injection work its way into a RING Time?
 
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Originally Posted by ALPINE_997
How does Meth injection work its way into a RING Time?
It's easy, man...

Methanol + hydrogen + carbon monoxide over a cobalt/iodine catalyst + heat/pressure = ethanol.

Nissan engineers + ethanol = 7:29

 
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Originally Posted by ALPINE_997
How does Meth injection work its way into a RING Time?

HAHAHA!! I think we can all come up to the conclusion that the ring times did not occur in as-delivered condition as much as several loyalists would love to believe. Too many tests out there to prove it. Common sense and physics cannot be defied by that much. Sure Nissan has a video with time, but videos don't show horsepower numbers. The car had to have been running higher-than-stock boost and the suspension had to have been tweaked just for the circuit with an appropriate set of tires.
 
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Originally Posted by ALPINE_997
How does Meth injection work its way into a RING Time?
Apparently when Suzuki uses Meth injection, his Ring times are 8-12 seconds faster. Some American drivers have unsuccessfully attempted to shave lap times using combustion/inhalation Meth technology, but the Asians have clearly shown that direct injection is more potent.
 
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Ahh now I get the Meth. Injection No VANDER! NO VANDER!

Galactus - do yo honestly believe that the V-Spec is only going to carry over 5 hp more and 200 lbs less for 50% more money?

They have integrated overboost instead of HP? This sounds like what they coin in the Audio Industry a "Cheaper Amp".
8 ohms = 90Watts to compete with the lower class but bring it down to .5ohms = 1000Watts for about 5 mins before it blows.
 
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Originally Posted by JohnTurbo
Actually our highest trap yet (129.5) came before we put the meth kit on the car. I've been dying to take it off the car but my mechanic insisted on it until we can get to a dyno a properly tune the car. (He wanted to make extra sure we avoided detonation.)

I can assure you, this meth kit IS robbing the car of torque.
did he say what the problem was?

by the way, your car sounds great in the video, what kind of exhaust did you get?
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
It's easy, man...

Methanol + hydrogen + carbon monoxide over a cobalt/iodine catalyst + heat/pressure = ethanol.

Nissan engineers + ethanol = 7:29

I'm sure someone will suggest a broken timer as well !!
 
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I'm sure someone will suggest a broken timer as well !!

no, we think the timer was on meth as well
 
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There will be a GTR in the FIA GT series.
It will make it's debut at the 2009 24H of Spa and compete in the entire 2010 championship.
Unlike the 997RSR, it will race in the GT1 class.
 
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Originally Posted by Spyderidol
There will be a GTR in the FIA GT series.
It will make it's debut at the 2009 24H of Spa and compete in the entire 2010 championship.
Unlike the 997RSR, it will race in the GT1 class.

GT1 cars dont have to be based on street car chassis. This chassis isnt street chassis racing friendly. Big, heavy etc etc etc.

You wont see the GT-R in anything but prototype classes so Nissan can pump money in and win with a different chassy than what the street cars have. I.E. Super GT (which shares absolutely nothing with the street car) but still have the GT-R winning races.
 
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Originally Posted by Spyderidol
<tt><tt>There will be a GTR in the FIA GT series.
It will make it's debut at the 2009 24H of Spa and compete in the entire 2010
championship.
Unlike the 997RSR, it will race in the GT1 class.
Nissan avoiding Porsche?
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Not sure why they would be, it is in their best interest to go heads up, since they have nothing to loose except respect, and they have already lost that.
 


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