My fastest 60-130 times have been with 2-shifts.

Wrong. Muscle Mustangs and FF did an article on this topic last month. They compared the HP from a car with advanced timing running 117 octane fuel to the same car running 93 + water/meth. The car made 469 and 470 rwhp, repectively. A tie. http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...son/index.html


You are incorrect, but I'm not going to spend the time explaining why.

 

Its pretty hard to run out of meth...about as likely as running out of gas IMO...

And in my case, if I did, my car is no slouch at wg boost...

 

My only reason for responding to this thread was due to the OPs statements that the 60-130 is a flawed way of measuring acceleration, which it isn't.

His car ran what it ran, and others making more power than he is ran what they ran. The 60-130 measurement isn't flawed at all. His car is simply slower than the cars he's comparing his to.

 

Sean do you think before you speak? The only way Scott would have won is if Matt spun... That's it... Scott did not have brake boosting and have you ever seen how hard a Nitrous car jumps if it has traction... Scott would have to shift into 5th before Matt even got out of 4th. SHIFTING LOSES GROUND! 148mph on his best mph (Granted these were his old 30s, he THINKS it would have gone a 150mph with his new ones) vs 147mph on a pass with the progressive set really conservative. If you aren't sure what a progressive does do a little search on Google about how a Nitrous Progressive Controller works... Maybe you can learn about something before you open your mouth and spew bull****. Sean I consider you a friend, but dude please just think about things before you speak.

Let me tell you something about a car that goes those kind of speeds in the 1/4. Going from a 300-400shot would gain Matt MAYBE 2-3mph. It will not pick up 10+mph just like when you add a 100shot to a stock car. Drag racing is something I know more about than probably 80% of this forum and honestly I've been faster in the 1/4 than anyone in this thread (8.9s @ 151 launching on motor and spraying 40-50ft out). I bet you'd **** bricks if you saw that 60-130 because at the ~1000ft I was out of gear and just stood on the rev limiter. Think about it like this... It took 5.7sec to get from 0-125mph and I didn't even use the N2O for the first little bit of it. My 1/8th mile MPH showed the car should have gone 156-160 or so mph. Woulda, coulda, should've though.. That was in the past. I was the 4th or 5th Nitrous LS1 in the 8s over 4 years ago now I'm in the Porsche world to kick *** and take names.

If anyone thinks I care about 60-130 should really pay attention to my threads about 60-130 and my showing to run my car at the events (although Peter and John put on an awesome event to go watch, I just don't like the measurement). I have 1 pass on high boost and I had _Zac with me and I ran a 6.2 in ~60* weather... If I cared more I'd have kicked his *** out of the car and waited till 3am (when it was in the high 40s) and done the pass. Maybe when it gets cold again I'll bring the car out with my soon to be RWD swap and my possible new heart and veins and crack off a number.

 

I don't own my Porsche any more. Not sure why it's being discussed here. That said, I was half a car behind a TT Viper that trapped 152 on street tires. I had a passenger, he did not. If I didn't have a passenger, well.....

We will never know who would have won in a roll-on race between my car and Matt's. So it doesn't really matter.

FYI; when I would only shift once, my 60-130 times were typically low 5's...same as your brothers.

 

still doesn't change the fact that it is a race file of sorts. Truly if you want to compare apples to apples, and both cars are fitted and tuned with WI then I can see that. Or both cars tuned to C16, 109, 250 shot of NOS, or just run them both on pump file on pump gas plus 3-4 gallons of 100 or 109(for safety as some people have indicated in the past).

 

I think if you would have had brake boosting you're 60-130's would have been significantly better because you could have eliminated a shift. Plus a race between a big n2o car vs a turbo car would be a real toss up. If your lag was ANYTHING like mine is then he'd have 3-4 cars on you before you even got fully into boost. I know this because on motor alone my brother jumped out 4 cars on me before I even got into full boost.

Bro I've never ever disagreed with you on many major topics, but if you think comparing a 60-130 time will decide a roll race outcome then you are FAR from right. Roll races aren't just 60-130. Personally I prefer 30/40-130 because I don't think going much faster on a freeway with someone next to you doing the same is very safe. Maybe I'll consider a 140mph if I run it in the 1/4 because then at least I'm running till I finished my 1/4 Mph.

 

Yup you are right, the race never could happen again. We did not make the street meet when you were in town and you had to leave the next day. Which sucks cause I wanted to get to meet you while you were here. Anyway back to the topic. I've got a few hours before I'm headed to the new house to do more so lets get back on topic so we can get Sean to write a song about me.

 

not a bad idea at all. a 100 mph difference would tell a lot.

 

I never said it was flawed that was Jason. I just wanted to know why is the times so low. I can tell you my car is a lot faster then a 997tt with a flash, I raced one. So I wanted to know if there is a way to do a calibration or is there any special methods of getting the best time. I dont see how someone with the same car and hp/tq is going to pull on me by 10-20 car lengths. I have a tip so I dont even have to shift.

 

I'm going to try and make it next year, but of course I'll be in a car with 150 or so less HP than my last one had.

 

I'm def. going to need lots of land from that Z06...

 

Sorry, I was talking about Jason. I shouldn't have used the term "OP". I know it wasn't you.

Which 997TT with a flash are you guys talking about? Obviously, your car is faster than one.

 

When was the last time there was an true "apples to apples" comparison....people race different cars, different turbos, different tunes, different overall mods. I don't see how pump + 50/50 WI disqualifies or makes a comparison unfair. Someone who spends $$$ on ICs, larger intake tracks, weight reductions, etc...and someone else spends $ on a WI kit... go ahead and compare each cars acceleration speeds... whats the big deal?!

 

Thanks for sharing this article...interesting test.

But with same boost and same timing... isn't it expected that the dyno numbers would be very similar? I would think race gas is going to allow you to run more timing and/or more boost than pump + meth mix....