Engine stumble/hesitation around 2500 RPM?
#227
Weekend road trip across the South.
Cruise control at 80mph in 7th gear @ ~2500 rpm along newly paved stretches of I-95.
Fish bite tugging extraordinaire!!
A simply awful experience..
Cruise control at 80mph in 7th gear @ ~2500 rpm along newly paved stretches of I-95.
Fish bite tugging extraordinaire!!
A simply awful experience..
#228
When this is happening at 80mph is the tach moving up and down ~50-100rpm or rock solid?
ChuckJ
#229
Hi Chuck,
Have not noticed the tach moving- seems to be as solid as the stiff suspension will allow.
However, after lots of testing the hesitation /tugging absolutely occurs in every gear at the same rpm.
While in cruise control, when going up the slightest of inclines to maintain the set speed, the tugging was simply ridiculous.
Have not noticed the tach moving- seems to be as solid as the stiff suspension will allow.
However, after lots of testing the hesitation /tugging absolutely occurs in every gear at the same rpm.
While in cruise control, when going up the slightest of inclines to maintain the set speed, the tugging was simply ridiculous.
#230
Hi Chuck,
Have not noticed the tach moving- seems to be as solid as the stiff suspension will allow.
However, after lots of testing the hesitation /tugging absolutely occurs in every gear at the same rpm.
While in cruise control, when going up the slightest of inclines to maintain the set speed, the tugging was simply ridiculous.
Have not noticed the tach moving- seems to be as solid as the stiff suspension will allow.
However, after lots of testing the hesitation /tugging absolutely occurs in every gear at the same rpm.
While in cruise control, when going up the slightest of inclines to maintain the set speed, the tugging was simply ridiculous.
#231
@Runner1021, please don't ever try to use logic to screw up a good argument.
Code = Holy Grail in the Porsche Universe.
Thank God that the flames shooting out of their GT3's threw a code.
#232
My independent Porsche mechanic (for my '86) has been starting to see a few 991s in now (he does race prep work), so I'm getting close to bringing mine in for him to take a look at.
It's part of my three-pronged approach.
1) Contact PCNA directly.
2) Find new local dealer and "start fresh" with them.
3) Use independent shop.
Prongs 1 and 2 are currently underway.
#233
Dux:
This must be terribly frustrating. I had a similar issue with a Honda Accord and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. If you want to get this resolved, I think you should take the following actions:
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim. I did this on a Honda Accord with arbitration and it was a life saver- and not difficult.
I would be happy to give you more details about mine if you chose to take this action.
ChuckJ
This must be terribly frustrating. I had a similar issue with a Honda Accord and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. If you want to get this resolved, I think you should take the following actions:
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim. I did this on a Honda Accord with arbitration and it was a life saver- and not difficult.
I would be happy to give you more details about mine if you chose to take this action.
ChuckJ
#234
This is my leading suspicion at this point in time. Since I have both the fish-bite at 2300-2500 RPM as well as the larger stumble at 3000+RPM when accelerating, and I am pretty sure the latter is the variocam switchover, I believe both are related to the variocam not functioning properly.
#235
Dux:
This must be terribly frustrating. I had a similar issue with a Honda Accord and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. If you want to get this resolved, I think you should take the following actions:
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim. I did this on a Honda Accord with arbitration and it was a life saver- and not difficult.
I would be happy to give you more details about mine if you chose to take this action.
ChuckJ
This must be terribly frustrating. I had a similar issue with a Honda Accord and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. If you want to get this resolved, I think you should take the following actions:
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim. I did this on a Honda Accord with arbitration and it was a life saver- and not difficult.
I would be happy to give you more details about mine if you chose to take this action.
ChuckJ
#4 - Do this in writing, registered mail.
Lemon Laws vary from state. Check with your state Attorney General to learn the procedure.
Interesting tidbit: here in NC, if you take a manufacturer to court (i.e letters and negotiation don't work) under the LL and you lose, you pay their attorney costs. At least that was the law back in '97 when I was fighting BMW.
I can't imagine what those guys bill Porsche for their time!
#236
Dux:
This must be terribly frustrating. I had a similar issue with a Honda Accord and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. If you want to get this resolved, I think you should take the following actions:
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim. I did this on a Honda Accord with arbitration and it was a life saver- and not difficult.
I would be happy to give you more details about mine if you chose to take this action.
ChuckJ
This must be terribly frustrating. I had a similar issue with a Honda Accord and it wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours. If you want to get this resolved, I think you should take the following actions:
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim. I did this on a Honda Accord with arbitration and it was a life saver- and not difficult.
I would be happy to give you more details about mine if you chose to take this action.
ChuckJ
Thanks Chuck.
Here's where I stand.
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him - Done and acknowledged by the "tech"
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it - Done 3-4 times
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive. - Done by resetting DME and then they state "operating as intended" because there are no codes.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim.
The madness is that everyone knows that the dealers shun any and all warranty work whenever possible. Especially when the absence of a fault code means that they won't get reimbursed.
They have the audacity to say that they ALL do it by design..
#237
If you guys want a fault code, why not just drive with the gas cap unscrewed for a mile or so?
That'll throw out a Check Engine Warning light, and you can use that as your "Trojan Horse" for the tech guys to run all sorts of crap on the engine.
Just a thought.
Good luck on this.
That'll throw out a Check Engine Warning light, and you can use that as your "Trojan Horse" for the tech guys to run all sorts of crap on the engine.
Just a thought.
Good luck on this.
#238
Thanks Chuck.
Here's where I stand.
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him - Done and acknowledged by the "tech"
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it - Done 3-4 times
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive. - Done by resetting DME and then they state "operating as intended" because there are no codes.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim.
The madness is that everyone knows that the dealers shun any and all warranty work whenever possible. Especially when the absence of a fault code means that they won't get reimbursed.
They have the audacity to say that they ALL do it by design..
Here's where I stand.
1. Do a drive with a tech and demonstrate the problem to him - Done and acknowledged by the "tech"
2. Have them write up a work order that accurately states the issue as you see it - Done 3-4 times
3. Let them try to fix it and pick it up when they tell you it's fixed without a test drive. - Done by resetting DME and then they state "operating as intended" because there are no codes.
4. Repeat this 2 more times and notify Porsche North America that you intend to file a lemon law action
5. If they don't respond, file a LL claim.
The madness is that everyone knows that the dealers shun any and all warranty work whenever possible. Especially when the absence of a fault code means that they won't get reimbursed.
They have the audacity to say that they ALL do it by design..
Check your warranty book to ensure you have met the requirements (which I'm sure you have) and if I were you I would be filing for arbitration. If you win they have to fix it or buy your car back. If you loose (which you won't if I know your attention to detail) you can decide to go to court. The big trouble with that one is that if they loose, they can appeal and that can go on forever. PM me if you need anything and I'll look to see if I can find the brief I put together. You will basically be given instructions as to what you have to present.
ChuckJ
#239
As always Chuck, thank you.
That was my last resort and one that I had hoped to avoid.
I'll be taking step 4 soon and notifying PCNA of my intent.
I fully expect the Nick Murray treatment from them in spite of my having owned numerous 911's. Fortunately I am not blinded by irrational exuberance when it comes to this or any other car.
There is a substitute - one that actually works..
That was my last resort and one that I had hoped to avoid.
I'll be taking step 4 soon and notifying PCNA of my intent.
I fully expect the Nick Murray treatment from them in spite of my having owned numerous 911's. Fortunately I am not blinded by irrational exuberance when it comes to this or any other car.
There is a substitute - one that actually works..
#240
It's a shame that we can't as a group notify PCNA by letter or email of our combined frustration over this issue. I imagine it would open some eyes if they were to receive a letter signed by several hundred concerned and upset owners, as opposed to dealing with an occasional complaint here and there.
Anyone have a idea how this could be accomplished?
Anyone have a idea how this could be accomplished?