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So you think it's just a bumper job, huh?

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Old 06-08-2013, 11:05 AM
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wow! would have never guess that little bumper dent caused frame damage. is this typical of aluminum body cars? or just the impact location? still can't believe there wouldn't have been more damage to the bumper (cosmetic) if the force was enough to cause frame damage.
 
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Old 06-08-2013, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pyramid
Congrats OP, that is one quality workshop you running there.
One nit pick, the assy picture where all underparts, muffler, and those filter box are laying down on the concrete floor, it will introduce scratches.
I understand they are underparts and no one could not see them once the bumper is up, but if there is room for improvement, it surely can be avoided.
Just a thought, no complain here.
Thanks for the compliment. As for the "no complaint," those are all old parts that are being replaced with new OEM parts. I don't play, and the guys insurance knows that.



Originally Posted by KonaKai
OP - ...Judging from Pic #1, the owner wasn't hit that hard, yet the frame was bent. I guess maybe this is a consequence of ever lighter construction.
Originally Posted by onapex
wow! would have never guess that little bumper dent caused frame damage. is this typical of aluminum body cars? or just the impact location? still can't believe there wouldn't have been more damage to the bumper (cosmetic) if the force was enough to cause frame damage.
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Wow. What was it that caused this damage?
Originally Posted by TheYoungConnoisseur
Looks like there will be tons of track/race cars in the next few yrs from all the "totaled" cars in parking lot fender benders being bought back from insurance companies for %20 of retail. Or at least tons of cheap parts
It wasn't a low speed hit, rather it was low on height and managed to push the exhaust up into the xmember. And that upward trajectory is what caused the inner part to stress. I'm gonna correct myself here - those are not welds coming apart. They are 2 panels riveted together. Being Aluminum sheet, we were able to repair that by cold straightening. If it wouldn't have come out by hand - it would have basically totaled the car (good news for your track buddies).



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... i would not buy 991. bad design in many things. 997s is much better engineered
There will always be a strong loyalty to the 997's. I remember when Porsche came out with the 996, it was a revolution. Change is just like that. This post is not about a design flaw, rather about a new way of building and repairing cars. It's just the latest Porsche revolution. In a few years, you'll be able to say you were around when Porsche came out with the first "no pull" aluminum chassis (meaning there is NEVER any frame pulls, under NO circumstances).




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Back in '05 my Maserati Quattroporte was stolen while I was away for the summer. While the damages done during the druggie's joyride were all fixed, I could't love the car anymore and sold it within a week or two.
I can't begin to stress the importance of finding a quality repair shop that ALSO works well with your insurance company. Shops and insureds often take pride in the fact that they "fight hard" with the insurance company. If the shop has a reputation for being reasonable and maintain a high standard of quality, there's nothing to fight about.
 
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Old 06-08-2013, 12:04 PM
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Wow. That's horrendous. I always thought the 911 was going to be more susceptible to rear-end damage than most cars due to the engine placement, but this is crazy! I am sure some shops/owners would have just replaced the bumper.

Are 997's this fragile? I am now more afraid than ever of being hit from behind!
 
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Old 06-08-2013, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Zamir
It wasn't a low speed hit, rather it was low on height and managed to push the exhaust up into the xmember.
Do you have an idea of about how big of an impact/speed differential there was? I think the takeaway here isn't "991's are fragile" but that one can't tell how bad the damage is from external cosmetics - which in this case the rear bumper wasn't that bad looking.
 
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:26 PM
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Wow. That's horrendous. I always thought the 911 was going to be more susceptible to rear-end damage than most cars due to the engine placement, but this is crazy! I am sure some shops/owners would have just replaced the bumper.

Are 997's this fragile? I am now more afraid than ever of being hit from behind!
That was my thought when i sorted through the repair sequence. Wonder how many cars with similar rear end damage are driving around with just the bumper fixed. New bumper, paint and labor....maybe 2K. This operation? No clue. Has to be a minimum of 20K. Incredibly impressive no matter what the cost though.
 
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Great write up - I'm def curious about repair costs and how close it came to being totaled for what appeared to be "minor" repairs at first blush. You probably can't disclose the bill,but it had to be significant.
 
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Originally Posted by Sam Zamir
Thanks for the compliment. As for the "no complaint," those are all old parts that are being replaced with new OEM parts. I don't play, and the guys insurance knows that.
That's more like it. I just didn't thought the impact not only got into frame but also the whole muffler and air box
 
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Sam -

It's a great repair job and a very informative post.

I am not sure if common rear impact would cause this extensive damage or if that particular car got hit at just the right manner to look simple yet turn out complicated.

My general thought is once a car has frame damage it's toast . It's a loss emotionally. financially , and in terms of precious time which can never be replaced .Even if it's fixed properly the owner might always have this doubts when he looks at it .He'll know it isn't the same as when it came from the factory . He'll know that someone else destroyed it and someone had to fix it . In my opinion the only way to clear that memory is to start over with a new car . Maybe some guys will sit in denial and try and rationalize that its ok but i find that even the most minor blemishes are often remembered every time a person who cherishes his car looks at it . Something this dramatic to me would mean a new car or if finances don't permit .. simply not keeping that car anymore.
 
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:40 AM
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Been a long time, I wonder if anyone else has experienced this?
 
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