Snow Tires: 2015 911 Targa 4S
#1
Snow Tires: 2015 911 Targa 4S
I'm picking up my 2015 Targa 4S next week and I'm in need of snow tires pretty soon. I've been in and out of a bunch of threads on this topic and have narrowed down a search for snow tires to the following:
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 (20”)
Pirelli Winter 240 Sottozero Series II (20”)
Continental Winer Contact TS 830 P (19”)
Does anyone have any real life experience with any of the 3 tires driving a 4S in snowy (preferably mountain snow) conditions?
(Note: I'm getting 20" Carrera wheels but a local tire shop has offered me a deal on the 19" Conti's as a complete wheel set which is why I've included that here.)
Thanks!
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 (20”)
Pirelli Winter 240 Sottozero Series II (20”)
Continental Winer Contact TS 830 P (19”)
Does anyone have any real life experience with any of the 3 tires driving a 4S in snowy (preferably mountain snow) conditions?
(Note: I'm getting 20" Carrera wheels but a local tire shop has offered me a deal on the 19" Conti's as a complete wheel set which is why I've included that here.)
Thanks!
#3
Same here. I used the Michelins on my C2S and thought they performed really well last winter. Ground clearance will become an issue way before you run out of grip (even in a RWD car).
#4
Running 20" Michelins on S wheels for my C4S. I've driven in all weather conditions, and the only time I was worried was when the snow was deep, drifts higher than the front aero lip, and I was more worried about hitting ice chunks that might damage something more than losing grip. The Alpins performed extremely well, in rain, ice, sleet, etc. You won't be disappointed.
#6
You should consider Nokian snow tires.
I've run them up in Canada on a turbo & 4S.
They're a bit more expensive, but like they say, you pay for what you get.
Porsche runs these tires on the cars doing the Camp4 winter camp in Canada.
These tires provide excellent traction & also have an all season rating. In fact the they're the only tire that has a snow rating & all season capability.
Edmonton Police service runs these tires on the cop cars year round & we see bad winters in Edmonton.
I've run them up in Canada on a turbo & 4S.
They're a bit more expensive, but like they say, you pay for what you get.
Porsche runs these tires on the cars doing the Camp4 winter camp in Canada.
These tires provide excellent traction & also have an all season rating. In fact the they're the only tire that has a snow rating & all season capability.
Edmonton Police service runs these tires on the cop cars year round & we see bad winters in Edmonton.
#7
You should consider Nokian snow tires.
I've run them up in Canada on a turbo & 4S.
They're a bit more expensive, but like they say, you pay for what you get.
Porsche runs these tires on the cars doing the Camp4 winter camp in Canada.
These tires provide excellent traction & also have an all season rating. In fact the they're the only tire that has a snow rating & all season capability.
Edmonton Police service runs these tires on the cop cars year round & we see bad winters in Edmonton.
I've run them up in Canada on a turbo & 4S.
They're a bit more expensive, but like they say, you pay for what you get.
Porsche runs these tires on the cars doing the Camp4 winter camp in Canada.
These tires provide excellent traction & also have an all season rating. In fact the they're the only tire that has a snow rating & all season capability.
Edmonton Police service runs these tires on the cop cars year round & we see bad winters in Edmonton.
Thanks!
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#9
The Hakkepelitta 8's with studded tires you could use for ice racing! The Porsche winter driving school has those on the cars. Traction is amazing, however this is likely going to exceed your needs. A guy I work with runs the studs on his BMW coupe which is rear wheel drive & no issue. He does say they're somewhat noisy. With that heavy rear end on a Porsche the traction on un-studded Nokians is very good. I leave SUV's standing still at lights with their all season tires.
I run the Nokians year round on my Audi Q5 & it handles very well in the winter up here. I don't run them on the Porsche in the summer b/c I like to take the car to track & they're too soft a compound & would wear down fast under that stress. Nokian winter compound works great in really cold conditions. The cops run them year round here & actually tested them on an icy track, with the best results. They are also the only "all season" with a snow rating. I do find snow tires give a spongy feel & the car doesn't feel as planted.
I hope this helps you decide.
I run the Nokians year round on my Audi Q5 & it handles very well in the winter up here. I don't run them on the Porsche in the summer b/c I like to take the car to track & they're too soft a compound & would wear down fast under that stress. Nokian winter compound works great in really cold conditions. The cops run them year round here & actually tested them on an icy track, with the best results. They are also the only "all season" with a snow rating. I do find snow tires give a spongy feel & the car doesn't feel as planted.
I hope this helps you decide.
#10
Of the 911 offerings, I sell most the Michelin and the Pirelli, with the Michelin hedging the group. The Conti's would be third. All are great tires. I don't sell the Nokian but do have my share of people swear by them and won't drive anything else. At one time we did sell Nokian for Porsche for the winter and didn't find them to be any better than the Michelin or Pirelli. In deep snow, the tread design of the Michelin will likely be just a bit better due to the more open shoulder area.
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#11
I had 19" Pirellis Sottozero winter performance tires on my base 991 c2 and was, frankly, disappointed last winter. I have run American rwd V-8s, a Camaro, a GTO, and a G8GT, with "studless snow and ice" winter tires, often Bridgestone Blizzaks, for a number of years. I have never had a problem reaching my house on snow covered hills leading to it.
I expected even better performance from the Porsche, given its much greater percentage of weight over the rear drive wheels. Instead, I had to give up during a not extraordinary snow storm and walk home. Perhaps it was partially due to the lack of the mechanical limited slip differential that the all the V-8s had, but I strongly suspect that Pirellis are optimized for low temperature dry road performance, not maximum traction on snow and ice.
I don't know if any of the tires available in Porsche sizes give the same level of snow and ice traction as the Blizzaks or other "studless snow and ice tires". I simply bought a Subaru Forester which will get Blizzaks soon as my "go-to" snow and ice car. The 991 will remain on its Sottozeros for winter use when snow and ice are not present.
I expected even better performance from the Porsche, given its much greater percentage of weight over the rear drive wheels. Instead, I had to give up during a not extraordinary snow storm and walk home. Perhaps it was partially due to the lack of the mechanical limited slip differential that the all the V-8s had, but I strongly suspect that Pirellis are optimized for low temperature dry road performance, not maximum traction on snow and ice.
I don't know if any of the tires available in Porsche sizes give the same level of snow and ice traction as the Blizzaks or other "studless snow and ice tires". I simply bought a Subaru Forester which will get Blizzaks soon as my "go-to" snow and ice car. The 991 will remain on its Sottozeros for winter use when snow and ice are not present.
Last edited by vangulik42; 10-22-2014 at 09:47 PM.
#13
I just got my Targa 4S and am putting the Porsche spec 19s with the Michelins on it for the winter. Although I have 20s for summer my dealer suggested going to 19s with Michelins for more grip. I have Pirelli Sotto Zeros on my PGTS and they are fantastic, but the dealer said the Michelins would be best on the 911.
#15
I'll be running these this winter.
Nothing like 295 20" Winters. Haha.
Would Nokian even make a Hakka that would fit this rim size? Just curious. I put Hakkas on my Cayman but those were little 17" winter wheels. Amazing in snow, but pretty squirmy in the dry.
Nothing like 295 20" Winters. Haha.
Would Nokian even make a Hakka that would fit this rim size? Just curious. I put Hakkas on my Cayman but those were little 17" winter wheels. Amazing in snow, but pretty squirmy in the dry.