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The GIAC seems to be the top HP provider but at a $1000 premium offering 1.3 bar and 100 hp. Wastegates not needed.
decisions decisions.
SWR
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You will never get 550 w/ out upgrading the turbos (whp, not pussy fwhp). Do this, pick a tuner, get the flash and just make sure you have the option of upgrading when you learn how limited stock K 24's are.
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2002 Porsche GT2 with GT 30's Tuned by Protomotive. 60-130 Street Tire Champion Tx2K8 and Tx2K9.
2004 BMW Individual M3: BHS Supercharged Stage 2. 8.59 60-130
2009 Mercedes E350
2004 Porsche Cayenne TT.
One more interesting question for your list of questions. Does the tuner allow you to sell the flash to a third party (e.g. if you sell the car and want to return it to stock and sell off the mods)? This was important to me when I was researching and only EPL would allow me to do so.
I think there are a lot of good vendors, and your original list seems comprehensive of the good ones.
I went with EPL because of price, proximity, customer service, and incredible testimonials offered on this site.
I feel I chose wisely as I have nothing poor to say about the transaction, support, and results. As far as I'm concerned, EPL=FTW.
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I think you should take a ride in several cars that are differently modified. I know there are several modified turbos near your area that could provide better picture for all your questions?
some tuners will also give you a credit or discount if you perform more mods later and then need another flash, softronic offers this so they are top of my list so far
it would be good to note the price of the flash next to each tuner as well
i have heard prices for an upsolute flash as low as $700.00, dont know much about them though and the price almost seems too good to be true, any feedback from anyone with an upsolute flash would be good
I had an Upsolute flash and was very happy with it. No problems at all. My K16 car dyno'd 407 hp and 430 tq on a Mustang dyno.
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2001 TT, Current mods- EP2 quiet, PSS9s, EPL 16/16g.
Here is my X50 (same as S) with GIAC. Upgraded wategates make a big difference.
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I had an Upsolute flash and was very happy with it. No problems at all. My K16 car dyno'd 407 hp and 430 tq on a Mustang dyno.
I had the Upsolute k16 flash and then upgraded to the k24 flash when I changed my turbos. Unfortunately, no graphs to share but happy with performance, service and price.
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2001 Porsche 911/996 Twin Turbo,
Upsolute ECU Flash, K24's, Remus Exhaust, Evo DV's, SSK, Triple Black with Arctic Silver Trim, CF Wing
2001 Acura MDX- Family Mobile
1984 Chevy El Camino- Daily Driver
Judging from what you wrote, EPL would probably be your best bet since you want to go Meth Injection. Tony and EPL seem to be the tuner with the most experience going that route. So that being said, you're going to have to have your car tuned for it eventually. With EPL route, it'll be an easy transformation when it comes time to upgrade, you'll just upgrade and Re-Tune as opposed to getting an entirely new tune. In my opinion, that makes the decision quite easy unless the other tuners are doing meth injection, but to my knowledge I don't think they are.
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Here is my X50 (same as S) with GIAC. Upgraded wategates make a big difference.
Whose Wastegates did you use?
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2006 Saturn Vue, Lotus Twin Turbo V8; ImpConcepts Mods, 550hp (Sold), Ferrari 328 GTS; Stock (Sold), Audi S4 Twin Turbo 350hp (Sold), Sunbeam Tiger V8 Stock (Sold) The rest don't fit! "Arguing with an Engineer is like rolling in the mud with a pig. Just don't forget the pig likes it!"
How is that Camaro comming along? I see you have some nice dyno results.
I second the EPL suggestion since Tony will give you the option of future custom tunes. I am suprised no one has mentioned Protomotive...it seems Todd is not mentioned much around here lately.
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2002 Porsche GT2 with GT 30's Tuned by Protomotive. 60-130 Street Tire Champion Tx2K8 and Tx2K9.
2004 BMW Individual M3: BHS Supercharged Stage 2. 8.59 60-130
2009 Mercedes E350
2004 Porsche Cayenne TT.
I had a custom made Upsolute flash for K16/24 turbo's for 1.2 bar
After few months exhaust valve melted away,bent rod,scratched cilinder and piston,13000 euro paid for the repair,sended a few emails to Upsolute but they never answered me
Sended the flash to another programmer to investigate and he told me Upsolute raised the parameters for knock detection so high the computer didn't detect knock anymore and also the other parameters were raised very badly,but Upsolute programming was very cheap..
out of the ones you mentioned narrow it down to the ones that will provide you a more customized tune.
As for Hp claims, that is all they are is claims. Looks at how fast cars have run with stock turbos and a tune, and go from there.
search is your friend.......lots of info on this forum if you take the time to do a search.
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