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You guys should have called me! I was out last night racing a silver mustang with a 250 shot. I would have shot some videos for you guys.
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Robert
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Those 20g's SHINE ONLY ON HIGH BOOST..On low boost they r same as the 18g's
I couldn't disagree with you anymore. On low boost and pump gas they are phenomenal on race gas they are obviously better. I have heard a lot of people say that the 18's and 20's are the same on Low boost I just don't think that claim is valid anymore.
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Ben
2001 Turbo Protomotive 24/20's
Member of the "200 MPH Club"
I couldn't disagree with you anymore. On low boost and pump gas they are phenomenal on race gas they are obviously better. I have heard a lot of people say that the 18's and 20's are the same on Low boost I just don't think that claim is valid anymore.
I was going to say the same thing... 1.2bar+ for 20 gs...
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01 996TT - 9.91 sec.145.64 mph 1/4 mile (4.62 sec. 60 to 130mph) 06 CLS AMG
Right, there is no way I could run low high 6's to 7.0 on pump with my 18's. The 20's are clearly more powerful. I'd be happy with 7.2-7.3 on pomp.
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0-60 3.03s 0-100 6.46s on PS2's Quarter Mile: 10.70s Best Trap 134.61 mph 60-130 MPH 6.33s 0-197.1 MPH "Texas Mile" October 2009
Right, there is no way I could run low high 6's to 7.0 on pump with my 18's. The 20's are clearly more powerful. I'd be happy with 7.2-7.3 on pomp.
Well too many variables at hand... one is components including the tuning...
Not saying yours are worse at all but I asked Bobby( knows more then anyone about this) long time ago and he said up to and he said up to 1.2 bar they both perform same...
but then maybe we were proven wrong....
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01 996TT - 9.91 sec.145.64 mph 1/4 mile (4.62 sec. 60 to 130mph) 06 CLS AMG
Ben looks like you shifted well. Looks to me like the pump gas tune is pretty mild. Hopefully you can get some race gas this week and try it out prior to the mile.
Do you have a separate program for race gas or does ECU adapt?
Mike, no separate program for race gas just a low/high boost button on the boost controller. I definitely think this car has a 6.8-6.9 in her on pump but i'm not going to get silly trying to get that. Peak boost on my 7.06 was 1.20 dead on. I have my warning level at 1.21. I'm not playing any game as longevity is my priority. I drive my car hard but I take care of it. We'll see what she can do in the future. I'll probably fill her up with race gas tomorrow night and start giving her the final look over for the mile. Todd K will be street tuning the car on Friday and after that the rest lies in the hands of mother nature.
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Based purely on the graphs posted, you can tell that the only reason Todd caught up was b/c of Ben's "relatively" (especially as compared to an auto) slow shift. When in gear, the pull seems to be virtually identical. Congrats Ben!
Peter
Thanks Peter. You'll have to take it for a spin when at the mile. I know you've driven much faster but I think you'll be very impressed with driveability. See you on Friday.
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2001 Turbo Protomotive 24/20's
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Well too many variables at hand... one is components including the tuning...
Not saying yours are worse at all but I asked Bobby( knows more then anyone about this) long time ago and he said up to and he said up to 1.2 bar they both perform same...
but then maybe we were proven wrong....
I'm really starting to see why Bobby and Todd invested so much time into developing these turbos for our cars.
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2001 Turbo Protomotive 24/20's
Member of the "200 MPH Club"
Mark, Ben, I would've thought 20G's are capable of better than 6.8-7.0's at 1.2 on pump? I ran 6.6 - 6.8 on pump at 1.2 bar with 18g's and injectors, before Meth? Oh and don't take this the wrong way either, as I WAS considering this turbo option also. Is this turbo capable of 5.5's on race at 1.4-1.5?
__________________ 03 996TT, 24/18G's, 58lb Injectors, FVD Sport Mufflers, Custom EPL Tune w/Meth Inj. 5.99 (60-130), Best ET-11.14, Best trap-133 Texas Mile 09: 195.024 in 27.4 sec (0-186 - 23.8 sec)
Mark, Ben, I would've thought 20G's are capable of better than 6.8-7.0's at 1.2 on pump? I ran 6.6 - 6.8 on pump at 1.2 bar with 18g's and injectors, before Meth? Oh and don't take this the wrong way either, as I WAS considering this turbo option also. Is this turbo capable of 5.5's on race at 1.4-1.5?
The only thing I can conclude is that you've got a freak motor. Noone in Houston on 24/18s with the exception of Todd has come close to running a 6.01 and that was in a tip .... presumably faster than any 6 speed will go. I'm pretty sure i'll dip into the fives with race gas and be in the high 6's on pump once I get a few things ironed out.
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2001 Turbo Protomotive 24/20's
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Yea Mike, you're car is the fastest 24/18g 6speed right? Freakishly fast,
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Mark, Ben, I would've thought 20G's are capable of better than 6.8-7.0's at 1.2 on pump? I ran 6.6 - 6.8 on pump at 1.2 bar with 18g's and injectors, before Meth? Oh and don't take this the wrong way either, as I WAS considering this turbo option also. Is this turbo capable of 5.5's on race at 1.4-1.5?
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0-60 3.03s 0-100 6.46s on PS2's Quarter Mile: 10.70s Best Trap 134.61 mph 60-130 MPH 6.33s 0-197.1 MPH "Texas Mile" October 2009
The only thing I can conclude is that you've got a freak motor. Noone in Houston on 24/18s with the exception of Todd has come close to running a 6.01 and that was in a tip .... presumably faster than any 6 speed will go. I'm pretty sure i'll dip into the fives with race gas and be in the high 6's on pump once I get a few things ironed out.
Freak motor If I had a nickel every time I heard that!!
Ok. thats cool. I DO realize you are not done tuning, and race gas will make your car an absolute animal. FWIW, it's in the low 60's here today and I just went out and ran (3) 6.0's and a 6.1 on my Sumi's with traction issues. I almost always have my DR's on for runs, but I figured hey, lets what it runs on less than perfect conditions. I would think your car on race gas should crush those numbers, assuming my car is pretty close to race gas. The only reason I asked this is because I wouldn't consider slapping turbos on my car, unless I pick up a GOOD half a second or more. I don't think my car is a freak, I just drive it good
__________________ 03 996TT, 24/18G's, 58lb Injectors, FVD Sport Mufflers, Custom EPL Tune w/Meth Inj. 5.99 (60-130), Best ET-11.14, Best trap-133 Texas Mile 09: 195.024 in 27.4 sec (0-186 - 23.8 sec)
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0-60 3.03s 0-100 6.46s on PS2's Quarter Mile: 10.70s Best Trap 134.61 mph 60-130 MPH 6.33s 0-197.1 MPH "Texas Mile" October 2009
I'm really starting to see why Bobby and Todd invested so much time into developing these turbos for our cars.
Well,
there are better versions of the 18g and 20gs... but most do not know about it... it does cost more money.. and the proof is in Bobby's old 20g car for example...
one more thing guys,
are you all sure the cars are 100%? ZERO boost leak?
TTboost has a fast car... so does Bobby(the old car) but I can tell you all that its all about the install and preparation....
If you go to the shop to install a kit and they do not pressure test the car from the TURBOS then you do not know where your car is at.... and never will...
We test them every both and usually find leaks.... especially on the bigger set ups....
another thing.... how is the greddy set up? you can get more TQ just by modulating the set gain... where are you shifting? etc etc all matters big time.
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01 996TT - 9.91 sec.145.64 mph 1/4 mile (4.62 sec. 60 to 130mph) 06 CLS AMG
If I had a nickel every time I heard that!! 
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