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Looks like the 'vette got what he was looking for!
well in that race vette=ahole. In fact the vette guys last year in GT1 were bumping each other and they were on the same team, total idiots and aholes. The vette driver got what he deserved. I watched the entire race and it was obvious the vettes were jerkoffs. In fact near the beginning of the race one of the team mates took out 2 porsches a BMW and himself by comming into a turn to fast, in fact so fast that he shot past a prototype Maybe these vette drivers should go back to nascar, where they can bump all day long.
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This has nothing to do with Corvette Vs. Porsche, and everything to do with two teams racing hard, one blocking and the other driving to aggressively. You're supposed to pass cleanly. As far as I'm concerned, I think Jan should have been given stop/go penalty for his aggressive driving, But Jorg driving him into the wall was equally bad. I agree that I'd have been pissed by that hit from behind, but why stoop to that team's level?
I'm also amazed that they penalty for each team wasn't stiffer...This is supposed to be racing, not WWF.
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Mike, "that" team has a habit of doing these tactics. High beams in your rear view mirror to disorient you, bumping. In fact they had been bumping other teams during the race. Not good racing. I think Jorg did what he had to to keep that bozo from winning by bullying others. I think the vette guy should have gotten stiffer penalty, but Jorg was just not going to be bullied. Commentators even mentioned how they are "so aggressive with the headlights in your eyes and the bumping" In last years GT1 class do you remember them bumping each other coming out of the pits. They did this in several races. unbelievable. The vette got exactly what he deserved. He still got second place in spite of the wreck. Too bad, a DNF would have been better.
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Mike, "that" team has a habit of doing these tactics. High beams in your rear view mirror to disorient you, bumping. In fact they had been bumping other teams during the race. Not good racing. I think Jorg did what he had to to keep that bozo from winning by bullying others. I think the vette guy should have gotten stiffer penalty, but Jorg was just not going to be bullied. Commentators even mentioned how they are "so aggressive with the headlights in your eyes and the bumping" In last years GT1 class do you remember them bumping each other coming out of the pits. They did this in several races. unbelievable. The vette got exactly what he deserved. He still got second place in spite of the wreck. Too bad, a DNF would have been better.
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This isnt driving Mrs Daisy, they are there to race and put as much pressure as possible on the other guy. Driving with the headlights on to prevent the car infront from from anticipating your driving line and blocking you is absolutely acceptable. Love taps is also acceptable to a degree and from what I saw of that race the tap by Jan to unsettle the car infront is acceptable.
Following your racing line is also acceptable, HOWEVER what I saw of Jorg he didnt just follow his racing line but purposely push the Corvette off the track and also push him onto the wall with the intention of crashing him. This to me is totally unacceptable.
This isnt driving Mrs Daisy, they are there to race and put as much pressure as possible on the other guy. Driving with the headlights on to prevent the car infront from from anticipating your driving line and blocking you is absolutely acceptable. Love taps is also acceptable to a degree and from what I saw of that race the tap by Jan to unsettle the car infront is acceptable.
Following your racing line is also acceptable, HOWEVER what I saw of Jorg he didnt just follow his racing line but purposely push the Corvette off the track and also push him onto the wall with the intention of crashing him. This to me is totally unacceptable.
no and it isn't bumper cars either......
sorry, but the tap was more than a tap, it unsettled the car considerably. Obviously an attempt to cause a crash. Jerg almost crashed from that last bump. Not acceptable to tap others like that, you cannot judge the tap and if it is hard enough and damages body work, you have just ruined someones chances of winning because you affected their aerodynamics. Besides if he truly was faster, he would have kept his lead the one time he did pass Jerg. He obviously could not and Jerg took the lead over.
Let's talk about the other bozo in the same team, who overshot the turn and took out three cars. These guys are yahoos.
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well in that race vette=ahole. In fact the vette guys last year in GT1 were bumping each other and they were on the same team, total idiots and aholes. The vette driver got what he deserved. I watched the entire race and it was obvious the vettes were jerkoffs. In fact near the beginning of the race one of the team mates took out 2 porsches a BMW and himself by comming into a turn to fast, in fact so fast that he shot past a prototype Maybe these vette drivers should go back to nascar, where they can bump all day long.
You might be interested in Jan's racing background. I dont think he ever drove NASCAR professionally before. Just becase they drive an American car doesnt mean they came from NASCAR. I dont think any NASCAR drivers bar Ambrose, Montoya and a couple other can hack it in this form of racing. Just have a look at Carl Edwards warm up lap effort
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While I don't agree with the actions of Jorg I do understand that by that cheap shot attemt to spin him out and affect his exit speed caused him to respond in kind. The vette driver got the same medicine he was dishing out only Jorg managed to complete the cheap shot.
If they exited that corner cleanly and I don't think Jorg would have pulled that BS.
mike, "that" team has a habit of doing these tactics. High beams in your rear view mirror to disorient you, bumping. In fact they had been bumping other teams during the race. Not good racing. I think jorg did what he had to to keep that bozo from winning by bullying others. I think the vette guy should have gotten stiffer penalty, but jorg was just not going to be bullied. Commentators even mentioned how they are "so aggressive with the headlights in your eyes and the bumping" in last years gt1 class do you remember them bumping each other coming out of the pits. They did this in several races. Unbelievable. The vette got exactly what he deserved. He still got second place in spite of the wreck. Too bad, a dnf would have been better.
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This isnt driving Mrs Daisy, they are there to race and put as much pressure as possible on the other guy. Driving with the headlights on to prevent the car infront from from anticipating your driving line and blocking you is absolutely acceptable. Love taps is also acceptable to a degree and from what I saw of that race the tap by Jan to unsettle the car infront is acceptable.
Following your racing line is also acceptable, HOWEVER what I saw of Jorg he didnt just follow his racing line but purposely push the Corvette off the track and also push him onto the wall with the intention of crashing him. This to me is totally unacceptable.
A love tap is just that, not a blatant dive bomb from way back when you know you're beat. It was a last ditch attempt to win a race he had no chance of winning. We've seen lots of close races in ALMS in the recent years, and never such amatuer attempts at making a pass. We saw not one but TWO of those from Jan in the last few minutes.
I'll bet you money shutting the door and cutting someone off is far more common than dive bomb bumping. And if you think for a second that Jan wouldn't have gotten penalized for that regardless of his accident you aren't being honest with yourself. Even if Jan squeezed his way by, that race would have been given back to the Lizards and you'd see just how UN-acceptable that type of driving is.
I'll also note that not only do you see guys not bumping anyone from nearly that far back, but if they do bump someone most times they wont try to pass, how many of those bumps result in passes? And you'll also see driver without a choice lock-up tires and that be the reason for the bump, Jan made no additional attempt to apply more brake, it was a sneaky race tactic and has certainly lost him some respect in the paddock with all the drivers that have been racing clean for years and years against each other.
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Jan(the vet driver) was using other cars to help him break into the corners and close the gap, even the commentators saw this and indicated he wold probably get a penalty for doing it. Sneaky tactics. If you watch the entire race, you will see how that teams tactics removed several other teams cars from the race. They should have been stripped of their second place.
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i enjoyed seeing that vet get crunched up, he was driving like a vet owner.
yes he was
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Guys, I don't disagree that Jan Was way out of line in his driving. Based on more information that is coming out, I can say that he got what he deserved. And although Yea Monarocountry, they're racing, and "rubbing" is racing, there's no way in hell you can call that hit on the last corner of the last lap anything but blatant and worthy of a black flag and stop/go penalty, much earlier in the race...
They didn't, so I can't blame the flying lizard team for dropping the hammer and punting him... good on him.. He got what he deserved.
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Maybe these vette drivers should go back to nascar, where they can bump all day long.
A love tap is just that, not a blatant dive bomb from way back when you know you're beat. It was a last ditch attempt to win a race he had no chance of winning. We've seen lots of close races in ALMS in the recent years, and never such amatuer attempts at making a pass. We saw not one but TWO of those from Jan in the last few minutes. 
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