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Old 10-14-2009, 12:57 PM #1  
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AMS going to Texas Mile

We're about ready to leave for Texas so I wanted to give an update on our car and what we've done to it. Surprisingly, very little! We've been testing our new billet K16 upgrades on our X50 car and are very happy with the results. Tony at EPL has been doing remote tuning and the car putting down some serious power for the limited mods. I'm really hoping to go around 190mph with the car and hopefully we can squeeze a little more out of it.

The current mods on our car are:

AMS K16 Billet turbo upgrades
JIC Titanium exhaust with AMS test pipes
5 bar FRP
72lbs/hr injectors
Carbonetics triple plate clutch
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Everything else is still stock down to the factory paper air filter.


The stock clutch wouldn't even come close to holding the torque on the pump gas tune, it slipped immediately in 4th gear. We got a Carbonetics in quickly and so far it's holding up great.

Here are some dyno sheets and pics of the car.

93 octane on SAE correction, about 21psi of boost (1.4 bar)




MS109 Race Gas with SAE correction at 1.55 bar



MS109 on STD correction factor




K16 Billet turbo's, exhaust, injectors & race gas Vs. Stock (X50)




For reference our 996tt in it's current form vs. a stock C6 Z06








I want to put the car on our scales before we leave tonight to get a final # on it. Stock with spare tire and all it was 3410lbs. The Carbonetic clutch took off about 17lbs, the exhaust about 25lbs, and I'm guess in the spare tire and tools another 35-45lbs. Hoping to get it as close to 3300 lbs as possible even though that won't matter much in the mile.

I want to thank Tony at EPL for working with us and developing a tune for these new Billet K16's we've done. I'll have our racepack G2X at Texas so I'll be able to get some 60-130 data on the car too. See you guys down there, we'll be in the big NOS Energy Drink rig, stop by and say hi.

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Thats some insane torque for K 16 based turbos!
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Pretty cool Martin. Good luck.
Any pics of the compressor side or your wheel?
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Great stuff! See you guys at the mile!
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These turbo's spool amazingly quick, it's almost too much. You breath on the throttle and it's an instant rush of power. I'm going to take the car for spin right now to check a few things.
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Good luck guys!!

I cant wait to see what these little k16's can do .
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Over 600 torque at 4K rpm. Nice
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Martin,

Great power for a k16 car good luck at the mile. I would be up for some friendly pulls on Elgin Ohare EXPWY. Let me know.
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Pretty cool Martin. Good luck.
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Well apparently 650 ft-lbs is a little too much for that clutch, is slips at peak torque in 3rd-6th gear. It just spins the tires in 1st through 2nd

Since we'll be at higher rpm's during the mile run I'm not worried about clutch slippage because we won't be at peak torque. I can't wait to get back and start upgrading the rest of the system and see what we can max these turbo's out at. From seat of the pant's I'm guessing it'll do low to mid 130's in the quarter mile.
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BTW we're also doing some K24's with billet wheels but I won't be able to test those for another few weeks. I'm really interested to see how those will do.

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Nice results on paper.

Good luck and see you in TX !
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Be interesting to see what the special K-16s will do...

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Martin and AMS,

First off, congratulations to you for these great initial results with your new billet K16s. Would I be correct in assuming that the upgrade cost for sending in K16s to have them upgraded to these specs would be considerably less than to go to a K24/18 based setup? I must admit I don't know an awful lot about this stuff but am assuming that since yours are K16 based that it's a true upgrade for stock K16 turbos like mine.

Assuming it's not public information already, could you let me know what the charge is for this upgrade service? I'm also quite curious if the powerband changes much on the low end since your dyno graph looks terrific, with no low range penalties, but we all know that dyno graphs don't often have time as a measurable field so I've always learned to be leery of RPM based comparisons. I'd be looking to maintain the quick response that I enjoy out of my K16s but gain some additional midrange and top end...and your product seems to have that 'have your cake and eat it too' appeal to it. Thanks for taking any time to answer my questions by the way, and best wishes to you and your shop at the Texas Mile.
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