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Old 10-14-2009, 04:58 PM #1  
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Fighting LASER Radar ticket - suggestions?

I'm going on the 27th to fight a laser radar ticket. I am preparing to read the operators instructions of the unit used by the issuing department, as well as obtain the dept specific procedure for use, testing and calibration. Does anyone have any additional tips for fighting a laser radar ticket?

The laser caught me at 1204 feet which I think is excessive and that's why I chose to fight it. The ticket was for 82 mph in a 45 zone.

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Doubt it. Total distance from the street I pulled out from to where the officer was parked is 2002 feet. If he hit me at 1204 feet then that means i would've had to accelerate to 82 mph in approx 800 feet. Not likely in a 2001 4x4 Crewcab Longbed Chevy diesel truck.
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Laser tickets difficult to fight. If you want to try I would suggest enlisting the services of a traffic attorney in your area.
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Ask the judge when was the last time he convicted an off duty police officer for speeding. He never has because cops don't ticket other cops. Then tell him you cite the equal protection clause of the fourth amendment and want the same treatment as the off duty cop.
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check with city if the street has been approved for redar in the old days they had to do this every two years...ya gotta make the judge like ya. remember ha has a badge too and does not get tickets
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Ask the judge when was the last time he convicted an off duty police officer for speeding. He never has because cops don't ticket other cops. Then tell him you cite the equal protection clause of the fourth amendment and want the same treatment as the off duty cop.
Don't you mean the 14th Amendment?
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You might try listening to Rule Of Law Radio at www.ruleoflawradio.com Monday, Thursday 8 to 10 Central, and Friday nights 8 to Midnight. I think they do traffic mostly Mondays and Fridays. Anyway, worth a try.
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Don't you mean the 14th Amendment?
You may very well be right. History was not my best subject.
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From an article:

It is not unheard of for people to establish that the police did not properly maintain such a device, and thus that the reading is not admissible. Please note that this type of defense requires that you be proactive in advance of your court hearing, and obtain relevant police reports, as well as manufacturer instructions, regulations and maintenance logs for the equipment at issue.
It is also worth checking the maximum range at which the device used by the officer is considered functional. If the manufacturer says that the device works at 50 to 600 feet, and the officer claims to have taken your speed at 1,000 feet, it may be possible to exclude the radar or laser reading on that basis.

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The discovery request should be made immediately. Some examples of the kinds of information requested through the discovery process are:
  • Copies of the arresting officer's log books for the particular day or hour,
  • Copies of both sides of the arresting officer's copy of the ticket,
  • A description of the device used to measure your speed, and
  • The officer's training records on that device.
California v Kruger, Pantos, Payne-Municipal Court of Sacramento California, 887092, DP44339, DP54571. The court ruled, “The lack of adequate training by the Sacramento Police Department has caused this court to conclude that there should be a presumption against the admissibility of radar readings when presented by an officer of that department. This court urges the Sacramento Police Department to immediately embark on a training program in accordance with NHTSA standards. The training program should be conducted by highly qualified radar operators and not by manufacturer’s representatives.”

Check out this site too: http://tipmra.com/sample/tipmra_sample.htm
Read this carefully and more than once. Lots of really good stuff
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Ask the judge when was the last time he convicted an off duty police officer for speeding. He never has because cops don't ticket other cops. Then tell him you cite the equal protection clause of the fourth amendment and want the same treatment as the off duty cop.

Not true, go to Fredericksburg, VA and see how nice the troopers are down there. They ticket everyone, and are the biggest aholes I have ever met. I have cop friends who rolled through there in a caravan for work, they were going to help in new orleans for the floods. They got pulled over near exit 248 by one idiot trooper. They explained where they were going, he said to keep it at the speed limmit. they took off again and were doing about 8-9 over and this time the trooper called his buddies and they pulled them all over and gave them all tickets.
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I think your example is extremely rare. My brother-in-law is a states attorney and ex-cop, and he told me they never ticketed each other as a professional courtesy.
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I thought the have not proven lidar to be an acceptable form of speed detection in the state of CA??? I would say you need to do a lot of research on this. There is a radar detector forum that has a lot on info on this.
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A friend of mine was a cop in Hawaii, and then went to the CHP. Decided after a few years being in law enforcement here in CA, it was not for him anymore. A short time later after joining the cilivian ranks he gets pulled over by a CHP officer, and turns out to be his "buddy" from the CHP training academy. TICKET ISSUED.
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