How Do You Guys With GT2's Drive Without Any TC/ PSM

[AlFromCalabasas]

Originally Posted by BLKMGK WAS putting down, trashed by a Sears E350 van and a 3+year tooth and nail legal fight after took a great deal out of me. The Supra made 720RWHP on race gas and was a cam swap away from an easy 800RWHP. Ported head and cams gathering dust in the garage never made it on the car. <sigh> Supras have a pretty violent power curve, you can see well over a hundred HP in just a short span - vertical power gains. The OEM traction control was as likely to kill you as keep you alive so everyone dumps it first thing. RaceLogic wasn't cheap but after driving a car equipped with it I knew it would save my life. When I decided to get back to playing with cars after settling with Sears my requirements were AWD, at LEAST 3liters, and expensive enough that if some jackass totaled it I wouldn't have to listen to some schmuck try to tell me the car wasn't worth but 16K and that work I did made no difference in it's value. EVO and WRX were briefly considered and discarded as they would be worth even less than a Supra after an accident. The Porsche fits all of my criteria though! Sadly it's a a PITA to work on and I cannot do my own tuning. Depending upon who you talk to the rods may be weak for the power levels I may want someday too. However the car is lighter, handles\brakes better, is AWD, and looks sharp. I do not need to make as much power as my Supra did to be faster and it's been long enough that I need to work back into that kind of power anyway. On pump my Supra made 590, a bit more on meth. Making that in a 3.6Liter Porsche isn't a problem with turbos, fuel, and tuning - it should also be way less violent.... Wow, your old Supra sounds just... Intense, Sorry to hear about what happened, but look at what you are driving now, . Originally Posted by SaintGT2 It all depends on the situation and weather. I'm not sure about everyone else here, but I rather enjoy the feeling of a non-electrically assisted driving experience. Sure it can "help" if things happen your not expecting. However when I am driving my GT2 or SC M3 with 500HP + at the wheels, on both cars, everytime I get in the cars I need to be careful (if I am out enjoying the car) however, even in a car with PSM or something similar with the added HP from a modified car you should always give it the respect it deserves, at all times. My brother for example only drives the GT2, or any car for that matter 2-3 times a year. He is in no way an awesome driver but he still manages to control the car and has alot of fun at all the track days he visits for, yet his times are very well placed amongst the other drivers who drive year round, his method for control, one rule......drive to his ability, not anyone elses and most of all RESPECT the car. As for a 60mph turn then punching it, I don't need PSM to tell me this is not a good idea . I have enough fun drifting/racing/and the occasional experiments in both cars, but on the track and in places with plenty of run off, as I have witnessed even the professional race car driver cannot get it right 100% of the time. Excellent post, Thank You. I guess "control" is everything. By the way I had a 02' M3 with the VF Stage 1 blower, I really miss the M3 because that car is a lot easier to control at the limit versus the Porsche, but the handling does not even come anywhere close to the Porsche, . Originally Posted by MotorsportsR Close call? Hum...... pic below. Apprently RESPECT alone wasn't enough for me. I now drive my 2 with RESPECT, a little Fear and with 100% concentration! Oh, No more driving on wet or frosted over road. Wow, I am glad that you walked away from that crash, how fast were you going for that kind of damage? You got some true GT2 love to go back to one after that! Originally Posted by ari I bet it's not a far stretch to add Turbo software to a GT2 to get PSM... Alex, you should try a day at Willow Springs if you haven't yet. Start with the streets and then work your way to the big track. The streets is like driving on topanga. You can't really go past 80 MPH ever due to the sharp turns, but because of the lower speeds you will feel more comfortable pushing it and can end the day sliding it around some turns if you're so inclined. I drive with PSM off, but have been comforted to know that PSM is still there under braking. We're not all race car drivers. We may be better than 99% of the people on the street, but at the track we're only average at best. Ari, I have been to the Streets a few times in my old M3 and just once in the Porsche, I seriously do not think I will be able to handle the Big Willow, taking turns at well over 100 mph gives me the chills, . Do you usually do the Streets or the Big Willow? -Alex

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[ari]

I like the streets better because I feel a lot more in control. It's hard on the car though (especially a turbo) the added heat in the brakes, engine, tranny and the wear on tires can make for a expensive day.

Your C4s should be very fun and probably deals with it much better.

The big track is fun, but coming off the straight at 150 MPH and slamming on the brakes to slow down to 110 to make the left isn't my idea of a hoot. It's fun but scary. No matter what, it's about driving in your comfort level. If you let people pass, they have no reason or right to be upset at you. I recommend trying it in the "slow" group on the big track. The uphill corkscrew is a hoot with the TT and lots of torque. Lots of sideways fun an tire spin. It's worth the experience. Button willow is a good middle step.

[SaintGT2]

Originally Posted by MotorsportsR

Close call? Hum...... pic below. Apprently RESPECT alone wasn't enough for me. I now drive my 2 with RESPECT, a little Fear and with 100% concentration! Oh, No more driving on wet or frosted over road.

Hey MotorsportsR, not a good picture by a long way. Glad to know you walked away from this!, no serious injury to anyone I hope??

Fear, I think we all drive with a little fear when we push the boundries, that's what makes it such a rush.

For me rain/water/ice/frost or any kind of moisture on the road + speed = Trouble.

[MotorsportsR]

Yeah, everyone I know think I am crazy to get back into another GT2. 45mph, a storm drainage, mud and the right momentum.

Originally Posted by AlFromCalabasas

Wow, I am glad that you walked away from that crash, how fast were you going for that kind of damage? You got some true GT2 love to go back to one after that!

Thanks, I was the lone driver and walk away with a little scratch on my hand from the window glass. A little Fear of her might just be the key to keep me out of trouble.

Originally Posted by SaintGT2

Hey MotorsportsR, not a good picture by a long way. Glad to know you walked away from this!, no serious injury to anyone I hope??

Fear, I think we all drive with a little fear when we push the boundries, that's what makes it such a rush.

For me rain/water/ice/frost or any kind of moisture on the road + speed = Trouble.

[Bodybag]

Originally Posted by AlFromCalabasas

I mean like if you are just taking a nice 60 mph turn quickly and you decide to "punch" the throttle, what is next, ....

If you do this, 'NEXT' would be 80mph sideways...

When I got my GT2 I drove it like an idiot for about 6 months. It was giving me WAY more feedback and control at the limit than my previous 993TT so I felt very comfortable driving it at that limit, A LOT.

The bottom line is if you choose to drive like that, you WILL eventually get bit. It might be a close call (and hopefully a wake-up), or you could end up like MotorsportsR did, or worse .

I had my GT2 drifting sideways at 60-80mph more than 100 times before my 'close call', luckily for me I only ended up spinning around and sliding backwards into a curb. Nothing more than a few scrapes on the rear bumper and a slightly bent tailpipe, but it was enough of a reality check for me to stop the madness.

[adam699]

I'd say that driving high HP cars requires the same level of respect as riding sport bikes. Respect the machine and it will treat you well, rough it up and it will buckle like a horse. PSM doesn't fix being ignorant.