Can the 996 Turbo handle like a GT3?
#16
01-26-2010, 07:00 PM
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What are we dealing with here gang?
GT3 is light, rear drive, nimble
996TT is heavier, has issues with the geometry and the AWD system
Can you make the 996TT capable? Sure you can. It can be made to make up for the few flaws it has. Power, balance, and the right mix of parts will make this car amazing. The GT3 is a high performance momentum car. The 996TT is just soooo much more...
Mike
GT3 is light, rear drive, nimble
996TT is heavier, has issues with the geometry and the AWD system
Can you make the 996TT capable? Sure you can. It can be made to make up for the few flaws it has. Power, balance, and the right mix of parts will make this car amazing. The GT3 is a high performance momentum car. The 996TT is just soooo much more...
Mike
#18
01-26-2010, 08:10 PM
lol 40k unreasonable? The RUF GT3 was more then that over the price of a stock GT3. And that is what we are comparing this to.
40k =
15k in suspension bits
5k in brakes
5k in wheels and tires
15k in weight loss ( CF door skins, top panel, GT3 seats and a welded in cage to keep it together. New aero kit. gutted interior/ the Labor to install all the bits)
$40k is if anything a conservative budget for full track prep on a 996 TT.
40k =
15k in suspension bits
5k in brakes
5k in wheels and tires
15k in weight loss ( CF door skins, top panel, GT3 seats and a welded in cage to keep it together. New aero kit. gutted interior/ the Labor to install all the bits)
$40k is if anything a conservative budget for full track prep on a 996 TT.
Last edited by tvurt; 01-26-2010 at 08:18 PM.
#19
01-26-2010, 08:12 PM
There is no doubt that a 996T can be made to handle as well as a GT3 or better.
It boils down to set up, who is doing it and the components you use on the car.
Out of the box no.. But with the proper mods you can make it work and it can be as fast as a equally set up 997 GT3.
And, No you dont need to spend 40k on suspension..
It boils down to set up, who is doing it and the components you use on the car.
Out of the box no.. But with the proper mods you can make it work and it can be as fast as a equally set up 997 GT3.
And, No you dont need to spend 40k on suspension..
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01-26-2010, 11:12 PM
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If Fabryce says you can do it for under $40k, take him up the offer. They know what they are doing at GMG. And yes...all the upgraded suspension parts are gold plated.
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01-27-2010, 12:29 AM
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Hello all. First post. I'm the guy baq is referring to over here. I'll just help myself and dive into the discussion if you all don't mind.
From my experience:
1- Stock for Stock with equally skilled drivers: The GT3 is consistently faster than the turbo on every turn at the track. A fraction of a second on each turn ultimately adds up.
2- When you bring in modifications to the equation, you start mucking thing about. Because, as some have already mentioned, if you have enough coin, you can pretty much do anything.
One thing that makes the GT3 stand out (even over the GT2) is that it is n/a. To me, that is the desired aspiration on a track car. The power delivery is consistent. I get exactly as much power at the precise time I want.
The new turbo cars have improved this slightly, but it is still not the same.
So can a 996 turbo be like a 996 GT3?
It can be modified to be faster around the track, but it won't be the same.
From my experience:
1- Stock for Stock with equally skilled drivers: The GT3 is consistently faster than the turbo on every turn at the track. A fraction of a second on each turn ultimately adds up.
2- When you bring in modifications to the equation, you start mucking thing about. Because, as some have already mentioned, if you have enough coin, you can pretty much do anything.
One thing that makes the GT3 stand out (even over the GT2) is that it is n/a. To me, that is the desired aspiration on a track car. The power delivery is consistent. I get exactly as much power at the precise time I want.
The new turbo cars have improved this slightly, but it is still not the same.
So can a 996 turbo be like a 996 GT3?
It can be modified to be faster around the track, but it won't be the same.
#22
01-27-2010, 01:08 AM
There is no doubt that a 996T can be made to handle as well as a GT3 or better.
It boils down to set up, who is doing it and the components you use on the car.
Out of the box no.. But with the proper mods you can make it work and it can be as fast as a equally set up 997 GT3.
And, No you dont need to spend 40k on suspension..
It boils down to set up, who is doing it and the components you use on the car.
Out of the box no.. But with the proper mods you can make it work and it can be as fast as a equally set up 997 GT3.
And, No you dont need to spend 40k on suspension..
Mike
#23
01-27-2010, 06:49 AM
lol 40k unreasonable? The RUF GT3 was more then that over the price of a stock GT3. And that is what we are comparing this to.
40k =
15k in suspension bits
5k in brakes
5k in wheels and tires
15k in weight loss ( CF door skins, top panel, GT3 seats and a welded in cage to keep it together. New aero kit. gutted interior/ the Labor to install all the bits)
$40k is if anything a conservative budget for full track prep on a 996 TT.
40k =
15k in suspension bits
5k in brakes
5k in wheels and tires
15k in weight loss ( CF door skins, top panel, GT3 seats and a welded in cage to keep it together. New aero kit. gutted interior/ the Labor to install all the bits)
$40k is if anything a conservative budget for full track prep on a 996 TT.
-5k in wheels and tires only if you're clueless or have to have BBS E88's or just refuse to drive on CCW's.
-5k in brakes for what? Buy a set of front GT3 calipers and 997 TT rotors, problem solved for half of that brand new.
-15k in suspension is what people are paying, but not what is needed, that is a fact.
-15k in weight loss is just rediculous.
And that's STILL not necessary to beat a GT3 or be a reliable track car. That can easily be done for 15k and much of that is the extra reliability which the car is far from unreliable in the first place.
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01-27-2010, 08:21 AM
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Hehehe... STIGGY everytiime I read your screen name this is what pops into mind: "common stiggy push PUSH-boy" lol
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#25
01-27-2010, 08:37 AM
No way you can make a 996 turbo equal to a 997GT3,both car are different.But you can make a 996 turbo FASTER than a 997 GT3 on a track if you modd with the necesary the 996 turbo.
I don't remenber what track it is Daytona,sebring or any other very good track and the 996 TT has been the ONLY GT CAR that has won the 24 hours of that race beatting the prototype cars,the 12 cilinders cars.The 996TT beat ALL of them in that 24 hours race.A 997 GT3 bearly can win its own cattegory GT2.
That says much about what you can do with these beautiful car 996 tt.
Rolando
I don't remenber what track it is Daytona,sebring or any other very good track and the 996 TT has been the ONLY GT CAR that has won the 24 hours of that race beatting the prototype cars,the 12 cilinders cars.The 996TT beat ALL of them in that 24 hours race.A 997 GT3 bearly can win its own cattegory GT2.
That says much about what you can do with these beautiful car 996 tt.
Rolando
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01-27-2010, 09:25 AM
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Rep Power: 464 In a straight line a 996TT (X50) can beat a pre 2010 997 GT3RS if the run is to top speed. In the curves not a chance even with suspension mods to the 996TT. This does not include the 2010 GT3RS that stock to stock can also beat a 996TT (unmodded engine) in a straight line. The AWD is most of the problem. Weight and lots of understeer but it keeps your *** out of trouble. The 997 GT3RS shares very little with the 996TT were it counts. Everything that does counts is different especially the suspension geometry/components and weight (no sunroof, no rear seats, very little sound deadning, fixed wing, no double din stereo/nav, much lighter seats, no AWD, no turbo component weight). I don't know the total weight reduction but it is significant (300 plus pounds) You're better off just buying a GT2 if you want the power of a Turbo with the handling of a GT3RS. Although I've modded my 996TT, I have no illusions of running with a 997GT3RS or GT2 on a the track. (besides, i like the sun roof and other creature comforts).
You cannot have it all, I am afraid, but now 996 GT3's and 996 TT's are so damn cheap that one "Could Have" both.
#27
01-27-2010, 10:14 AM
I am guessing I have spent around 15k on my car between the suspension, rotors, safety equipment, engine tweaks and tires. Not much done to lighten it up though. I can safely say it does not "handle" as well as a GT3 (6 or 7), relatively speaking, but I do get around pretty quick in my run group compared to guys driving the GT3's ..usually get them on track out and up hills and they get me on braking and entry. I dig my turbo but the purity of a well set up GT3 is pretty hard to beat...
..usually get them on track out and up hills and they get me on braking and entry. I dig my turbo but the purity of a well set up GT3 is pretty hard to beat...
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01-27-2010, 04:08 PM
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Well I think this post is a great noodle scratcher 
it's one of those, can it be built and how questions. For me, with prices so similar for both categories 996 T/ GT3 & 997 T / GT3, my pic is GT3 for sure. Very seldomly will you find a road to put turbo power down without getting dangerously illegal. Plus IMO the GT3 while not the fastest in a straight line sticks to Ferdinand Porsche's philosophy behind the brand. He was quoted once for saying "If I could trade power for handling I would" - this by NO means is it a bash towards Turbos, they are fantastic, truly amazing machines that maybe suffer from Veyron syndrome....Where can you really use the power? With that said, Roll the clip-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iimss...ture=quicklist
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2tJ9uAbJIY&NR=1
it's one of those, can it be built and how questions. For me, with prices so similar for both categories 996 T/ GT3 & 997 T / GT3, my pic is GT3 for sure. Very seldomly will you find a road to put turbo power down without getting dangerously illegal. Plus IMO the GT3 while not the fastest in a straight line sticks to Ferdinand Porsche's philosophy behind the brand. He was quoted once for saying "If I could trade power for handling I would" - this by NO means is it a bash towards Turbos, they are fantastic, truly amazing machines that maybe suffer from Veyron syndrome....Where can you really use the power? With that said, Roll the clip-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iimss...ture=quicklist
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2tJ9uAbJIY&NR=1
#29
01-28-2010, 11:19 AM
money can do anything. That has been proven by the fact that a modded 996 turbo ran the nurburgring faster than any GT3 has ever done. but I am sure that turbo cost twice as much as a GT3. But for not much money(20k) you can turn a Turbo into the near a GT3 in the turns and much faster in the straights, I think many in here have done that.
#30
01-28-2010, 05:26 PM
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When it comes to turbo setups, I encourage you to drive a number of them... My setup is like driving a big block chevy with endless torque. Those who claim that the GT3 is more pure and more to their liking simply have not driven a properly tuned, properly setup forced induction system. Quite honestly, if my turbo setup was as laggy as some that I've experienced, I'd sell it or join the 60-130mph crowd... Fortunately, I don't have those issues...
Mike
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