better believe that's right

 

man let me please say, that i love my ride set on MO30's ( old school no doubt ) and fresh springs h&'r's and yeah, they lose their "spring" so what. they're 300 bucks change em with a couple of other complementary connected bits and you'd be surprised.

whats a guy with coilovers gonna take from me w a properly setup coil over car ( not full race ) but ya know. a proper dual duty car? a millisecond or two? sure, if he's a better driver? maybe lol.

properly setup springs and struts provided of course all else is in sync? is an incredibly decent if not inexpensive setup. track capable, but not optimal for racing of course. race car/cup car whatever. ok sure, i can see it. but if you do this right struts and springs are time honored and not half bad.

to illustrate my point? here's some h&r's for the 991 turbo. http://blog.vividracing.com/project-...niche-pirelli/

lets be serious fellas. more folks disdain lowering springs, than can do better without them, and yet still spent the 4k for coil overs.

 

Wasnt trashing the shock/spring combo but rather stating that the shocks that he has were not designed for shorter travel since he has the HD's. I have a matched Koni/Eibach setup on my IS300 and love it. Its handled high speeds and Brooklyn streets with no issue.

 

dont get me wrong either, please as i wasn't addressing any misgiving you may or may not have. i just often chuckle at the vigorous disdain folks tend to have for a decently setup car lowered on springs ( properly lol ). but i'm sure the disdain is based upon their experience, so, it's a wash. i like em just fine.

and ya +1 on konis and eibachs here too on my lil gti. works just fine.

 

So is the impact small, i.e. really only a concern if i'm trying to shave seconds at the track (this will never happen, street driver only), or will the car handle poorly and be uncomfortable?

I wish someone who had this combo would chime in.

 

look at it this way. strut are struts, and you're talking bilsteins already which is the oem supplier of the car anyway. no? and simply ( yet effectively ) springs, that lower the car for better plant and presumably less "body roll" also shorten travel. so do the math.

so if you take into account that any combo of parts that move you out of the realm of cushy gt type car ( stock ) and closer toward a better handling, more planted and "sportier" ( read "stiffer" ) handling car via lowering springs or stiffer spring rates or ANYthing that makes the car more planted and thereby "better handling" will come with some back end price, often usually referred to as added: Noise/ Vibration/Harshness.

but for what what your proposing, the trade off will be well worth it.

having said all of that, i wouldn't want to drive my car as is in any city traffic setup for long just with my added ( or removed? ) mods.

it's not the bankers town car, it once was 12 years ago. thankfully. it's street able, but no longer *optimized* for street by any means. you get it.

 

You can just look up what the impressions are of cars that have been lowered on springs. Your shocks are effectively the mass market Bilstein stock replacement so you should get the same results with maybe a tad more performance since they are new.

 

thanks guys, i appreciate the insight.

For context, this is what the front of my car looks like after the install. Currently arguing with Sunset that they need to make some adjustments, there's no way the car should sit this high.

 

not unless it's suddenly amphibious!

 

Right? So my research indicates this can be an issue if the "torsion bars aren't reindexed". Does that mean re-tightening the sway bars?

I have eibach sway bars front and rear.

 

honestly have no idea. but I wouldn't think the sway bars can affect height like that? if the dealership doesn't know that isn't "right"(?!) then I don't know what.

 

looks like it's only a technique applicable to pre 964 models.

Yep, exactly. Something is wrong, that's clear.

Update: After a robust 300 mile drive the front has settled in 3/16". Looks much better. Apologies to dealership, I think they did the job correctly.

 

Been doing a ton of research on this and there seems to be a common misunderstanding. Sports are shorter, have less travel because they're designed more for track use rather than street. HD's have wider range of travel and thus wider driving applicability. Either one works equally well with lowering springs, but the HD will be more comfortable on poor road surfaces.

 

They are a nice option if they can be found cheap. They are not available often though. They are basically H&R streets or non-adjustable PSS9 with different shock diameter in the fronts for the GT2/3 upright. If you do not run GT2/3/cup spindles you will need to be crafty for upper spring perch and bearing plate solutions. The AWD front strut mounts tilt and an aft facing angle and the spring diameters are different between the turbo and GT cars. All is doable.

For the shock diameter to adapt into the AWD spindle you just need a piece of .060 sheet aluminum run through a a roller to create a sleeve that fits into the upright. Then when you slide the shock in that will finish shaping it to the proper radius. Super easy. Honestly after all that work the price on the used shocks would have to be almost free to justify all that versus H&R streets or PSS setup.

 

Updated the main posts with trouble shooting for the top mounts for Bilstein and H&R Coilovers to make sure they dont bind.

Also wanted to note that I just have the coilovers and Tarret front drop links and was able to get my alignment within spec. The car is lowered to about 25.5" from ground to top of wheel well on 19" wheels.

Again, please let me know if you have any DIY's or reviews related to suspension pieces so that I can add it to the main post.