Misfires, urgent help needed!!
#1
Misfires, urgent help needed!!
So, engine runs like sh*t, stumps at idle but basically over 3k rpm there's no hickups...
Codes thrown:
P0040 Oxy sensors in front of cats changed
P0130 O2 sensor ahead of cat bank 1
P0300/0301/0302/0303 Misfire detection total/cyl1/2/3
Then from Durametric, engine idling:
Camshaft position 1 deviation 0.14 deg Crk
Camshaft position 2 deviation -4.59 deg Crk
EDIT: Unfortunately I did not check actual cam values when engine was running.
So, is it the camshaft position sensor or adjustment solenoid at bank 1? I'm in a bit of a hurry, there's this Time Trial I was about to attend next weekend...
EDIT: I have checked that both cam actuators operate when 12V is fed directly, their wiring is also OK, like wiring to Bank 1 Cam Pos Sensor. As per WSM's test also the LH O2 sensor seems to be OK. LH Valve actuator bracket is OK and the actuaror moves is 12V is fed directly. So it's either the Cam Pos Sensor or something more serious.
BTW, I just changed to Castrol TWS 10W60, does thicker oil have any effect on VarioCam Plus' operation?
Codes thrown:
P0040 Oxy sensors in front of cats changed
P0130 O2 sensor ahead of cat bank 1
P0300/0301/0302/0303 Misfire detection total/cyl1/2/3
Then from Durametric, engine idling:
Camshaft position 1 deviation 0.14 deg Crk
Camshaft position 2 deviation -4.59 deg Crk
EDIT: Unfortunately I did not check actual cam values when engine was running.
So, is it the camshaft position sensor or adjustment solenoid at bank 1? I'm in a bit of a hurry, there's this Time Trial I was about to attend next weekend...
EDIT: I have checked that both cam actuators operate when 12V is fed directly, their wiring is also OK, like wiring to Bank 1 Cam Pos Sensor. As per WSM's test also the LH O2 sensor seems to be OK. LH Valve actuator bracket is OK and the actuaror moves is 12V is fed directly. So it's either the Cam Pos Sensor or something more serious.
BTW, I just changed to Castrol TWS 10W60, does thicker oil have any effect on VarioCam Plus' operation?
Last edited by pete95zhn; 08-24-2016 at 01:21 PM.
#2
So, engine runs like sh*t, stumps at idle and basically over 3k rpm there's no hickups...
Codes thrown:
P0040 Oxy sensors in front of cats changed
P0130 O2 sensor ahead of cat bank 1
P0300/0301/0302/0303 Misfiredetection total/cyl1/2/3
Then from Durametric, engine idling:
Camshaft position 1 deviation 0.14 deg Crk
Camshaft position 2 deviation -4.59 deg Crk
So, is it the camshaft position sensor or adjustment solenoid at bank 1? I'm in a bit of a hurry, there's this Time Trial I was about to attend next weekend...
Codes thrown:
P0040 Oxy sensors in front of cats changed
P0130 O2 sensor ahead of cat bank 1
P0300/0301/0302/0303 Misfiredetection total/cyl1/2/3
Then from Durametric, engine idling:
Camshaft position 1 deviation 0.14 deg Crk
Camshaft position 2 deviation -4.59 deg Crk
So, is it the camshaft position sensor or adjustment solenoid at bank 1? I'm in a bit of a hurry, there's this Time Trial I was about to attend next weekend...
Sounds like your cam bracket is broken or cam sensor is bad or timing chain broke.
#6
No sweat. We run that oil all day here. Absolutely no problems at all.
#7
Those cam numbers are on the high end of deviation but on these engines there is usually a degree or two of difference. They are never identical no matter how carefully the engine is assembled. Yours may be a tooth off but that isn't your issue. Have you checked your o2 sensors ahead of your cats?
An easy test would be to swap them between banks.
An easy test would be to swap them between banks.
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#8
Doesn't Manthey run TWS10-60 in all their GT2/3s also? I've been thinking about trying it out. I run M1 5w50 but I'll see oil temps peak at 260F on long track sessions in the summer. Curious if the TWS would be better...
#9
Move on, move on, there's nothing to see here!
But if you're still around, this was a quite good guess:
Namely after teasing/clicking all actuators with direct 12V, replacing LH O2 sensor with another (used) one and adding a new gasket between TB and IPD plenum, the engine runs now quite nicely, thank you.
The previous gasket had gone with the wind -or boost...it was still there, but severly damaged and streched and the TB was loose. Reason unknown. Noticed this just by a chance, before starting to drop the engine.
Lambdas in both banks are now normal, as well as camshaft angles. No deviation there anymore.
But if you're still around, this was a quite good guess:
Namely after teasing/clicking all actuators with direct 12V, replacing LH O2 sensor with another (used) one and adding a new gasket between TB and IPD plenum, the engine runs now quite nicely, thank you.
The previous gasket had gone with the wind -or boost...it was still there, but severly damaged and streched and the TB was loose. Reason unknown. Noticed this just by a chance, before starting to drop the engine.
Lambdas in both banks are now normal, as well as camshaft angles. No deviation there anymore.
#10
My car used to have a separate oil cooler in the front (which I took out). If you often run into oil temp problems, that solution might be an option for you.
#11
IDK about Manthey, but most Turbos here I know run either M1 5W50 or Castrol 10W60. It would be interesting to see if a change would help with your high oil temps, but I doubt it.
My car used to have a separate oil cooler in the front (which I took out). If you often run into oil temp problems, that solution might be an option for you.
My car used to have a separate oil cooler in the front (which I took out). If you often run into oil temp problems, that solution might be an option for you.
#12
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It the bracket or the variable valve lift . Have had it before. Disconnect the connector and put it on . Do that a few times .
It the bracket or the variable valve lift . Have had it before. Disconnect the connector and put it on . Do that a few times .
#13
The oil comes in contact with the some of the hottest parts of the engine: the underside of the pistons, the valve stems, the rings, the rod/main bearings, and part of its job is to remove heat. Thus elevated oil temps is a sign it is doing this.
Going with a thicker oil while one could see lower oil temperatures it could be because the thicker/higher viscosity oil is not able to absorb heat as well and thus the hot parts of the engine are running hotter than they would otherwise.
#14
The high oil temps -- 260F ain't that high btw -- could be a sign the oil is doing its job.
The oil comes in contact with the some of the hottest parts of the engine: the underside of the pistons, the valve stems, the rings, the rod/main bearings, and part of its job is to remove heat. Thus elevated oil temps is a sign it is doing this.
Going with a thicker oil while one could see lower oil temperatures it could be because the thicker/higher viscosity oil is not able to absorb heat as well and thus the hot parts of the engine are running hotter than they would otherwise.
The oil comes in contact with the some of the hottest parts of the engine: the underside of the pistons, the valve stems, the rings, the rod/main bearings, and part of its job is to remove heat. Thus elevated oil temps is a sign it is doing this.
Going with a thicker oil while one could see lower oil temperatures it could be because the thicker/higher viscosity oil is not able to absorb heat as well and thus the hot parts of the engine are running hotter than they would otherwise.
#15
Move on, move on, there's nothing to see here!
But if you're still around, this was a quite good guess:
Namely after teasing/clicking all actuators with direct 12V, replacing LH O2 sensor with another (used) one and adding a new gasket between TB and IPD plenum, the engine runs now quite nicely, thank you.
The previous gasket had gone with the wind -or boost...it was still there, but severly damaged and streched and the TB was loose. Reason unknown. Noticed this just by a chance, before starting to drop the engine.
Lambdas in both banks are now normal, as well as camshaft angles. No deviation there anymore.
But if you're still around, this was a quite good guess:
Namely after teasing/clicking all actuators with direct 12V, replacing LH O2 sensor with another (used) one and adding a new gasket between TB and IPD plenum, the engine runs now quite nicely, thank you.
The previous gasket had gone with the wind -or boost...it was still there, but severly damaged and streched and the TB was loose. Reason unknown. Noticed this just by a chance, before starting to drop the engine.
Lambdas in both banks are now normal, as well as camshaft angles. No deviation there anymore.
The Cam deviation being within a few degrees is normal and if you see it again don't be too concerned.
I've gone through so many misfire troubleshooting sessions on different cylinders over the years I have lost count.
In the beginning I couldn't tell who knew what they were talking about or who was just guessing when I would post to ask about my misfires but now certain symptoms under specific conditions along with Durametric diagnosing misfires has become far less frustrating.