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Hmmmm, this should be interesting. How much experience does Chris have at the ring?
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__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Hi folks, as you will have gathered from the picture below, last Tuesday we took a 911 GT2 (supplied by Porsche) and a Nissan GT-R (a customer car imported from Japan) over to the Nurburgring to test each maker’s claims and provide substance to the row between Nissan and Porsche.
Chris Harris was the driver and he drove each car for three laps (one out lap, and two flying laps). Chris successfully competed in the VLN race that weekend so was race-fit and needed no acclimatisation with the circuit. Naturally we recorded the laps on video and recorded the lap and section times on Racelogic telemetry.
We will be publishing the feature story (which we call ‘The Truth’) within our digital magazine and broadcasting the videos of each car’s laps, showing the times they recorded.
This will be live within the next few hours.
This is as close as you'll probably get to an independent and unbiased validation of each manufacturers respective 'claimed' lap times so it will be interesting to see how the topic progresses after our results are published.
We are preparing a video story of the feature and the telemetry data will be available next week overlaid across the key parts of the track where each car showed their respective strengths.
Wow, cant wait for this! Finally some closure for this topic
Hmmmm, this should be interesting. How much experience does Chris have at the ring?
Lots. He's raced in several Nurburgring 24r races, raced this full season in the German VLN championship (all rounds are held at the Nurburgring).
The conditions were damp, but every lap for both cars was under 8 minutes. And if you know how scary it is to drive the ring in under 8 minutes you can understand what that implies in terms of his experience.
You should be. A stock Z06, GT3,TT, GT-R etc. is more car than 99% of anything you'll see at a DE.
Go to the big events, where even the DE's are fast, and if you can say that, then you've accomplished something. But more than likely it will be a dose of humble pie. Show up to VIR Zone 2 and see if you are anywhere near the front of the pack. Other than the big event's its a crap shoot as to if even the advanced group will be very fast.
But in these caliber of cars, it's nothing to be at the front of the pack at a DE.
FWIW, a TTC (almost stock) 1988 BMW M3 runs 2:02 and 2:05 respectively CCW and CW. We've seen F1 crazy driver on crappy tires on the old pavement in a 996 TT run in that area. So being "towards" the front of the pack at the DE isnt neccessarily all that.
My first time running in a Porsche I was at the front of the pack, and I gained 12 seconds with only change being tires in 5 events.
Jeeze. Relax. You forgot to say my baby is ugly and my dog has fleas. I was providing real world data, as requested. The only cars to pass me that weekend were a 997GT3 on Hoosiers (I was faster than him at a prior event at a diff track when he was on MSPCs) and my buddy in 993TT. I was assuming that there were a couple of faster guys out there that did not pass me due to staging up differently.
Whatever.
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'07 997TT EVOMS EVT-700
'09 Nissan GT-R (Sold back under Lemon Law)
'06 BMW M5 (E60)
'06 Civic Hybrid
'08 Acura MDX
I'm just putting everything into perspective. Winning a DE isnt saying much, I hold the same standard for myself.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Lots. He's raced in several Nurburgring 24r races, raced this full season in the German VLN championship (all rounds are held at the Nurburgring).
The conditions were damp, but every lap for both cars was under 8 minutes. And if you know how scary it is to drive the ring in under 8 minutes you can understand what that implies in terms of his experience.
Let me save HC some time in his analysis of this test.
If GT-R is close or faster:
"I heard GT-R was on slicks and was secretly tuned by owner, who is obviously biased. Plus, DR driver doesn't know how to drive a 911 and was scared in the wet."
If GT2 is significantly faster:
"This is the gold standard unbiased test we have been waiting for. Everyone knows that the GT2 is hard to drive in the wet, so this victory is more than enough to bury the GT-R and its fanboys."
I'm not making any excuses prior to, nor should you, let's see the data and analyze it, then we can decide. Unlike the DR silverstone test, this is Harris driving both cars, and that other guy who was driving for evo in the GT3 Vs GT-R test, and the GT2 at silverstone well, just look at that video. It speaks volumes.
However, if this is the same guys car that tested with Bruno Senna, and Car magazine, that car has mods on it. That same car has been featured in a few tests, some while modded. That needs to be clarified.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
As I said before, one sparrow does not a summer make. You have to rack up win after win under controlled situations to build a reputation. That's why I say bring several GTR's to the 24 hours of Nurburgring and see what happens. That is a start. All this will do is supply more fodder for arguments. It takes time to prove a car.
I read this in e90post Steve and i actually posted it recently in this thread, can't wait to see the outcome. How about some prediction guys. I'm guessing 7:30 for the GT2 and 7:45 for the GTR.
I read this in e90post Steve and i actually posted it recently in this thread, can't wait to see the outcome. How about some prediction guys. I'm guessing 7:30 for the GT2 and 7:45 for the GTR.
Wouldn't it make more sense to purchase both off the showroom floor w/o prior notice to the dealer? Then do a reasonable break in period (if really needed) and then go at it?
I read this in e90post Steve and i actually posted it recently in this thread, can't wait to see the outcome. How about some prediction guys. I'm guessing 7:30 for the GT2 and 7:45 for the GTR.
My Guess:
GT-R = 7:47.1
GT2 = 7:45.6
Remember GT2 has MSPC tires stock--- but AWD is handy in the damp....
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'07 997TT EVOMS EVT-700
'09 Nissan GT-R (Sold back under Lemon Law)
'06 BMW M5 (E60)
'06 Civic Hybrid
'08 Acura MDX
if they ran the cars in the wet roads as show in the pic then I predict that the GTR will beat the GT2 by a wide margin. In those conditions the GT2 has no chance. Based on that I'll guess a 7:49 for the GTR and a 7:55 for the GT2.
if totally dry, I am going to say, 7:32 for the GT2 and 7:44 for the GTR.
of course, both cars should have been run on the same tires on dry ground to compare vehicles and not tires
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