997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
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if they ran the cars in the wet roads as show in the pic then I predict that the GTR will beat the GT2 by a wide margin. In those conditions the GT2 has no chance. Based on that I'll guess a 7:49 for the GTR and a 7:55 for the GT2.
Well spoken, I agree....
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While I dont think Chris had the best opportunity to set times like we see from the manufacturers, he has to be commended for driving them both in those conditions. To be honest after looking at the first few pages, and him driving on wet track I thought the GT-R might win.
But:
It didnt, in fact it got beat by7 seconds. and despite the wet weather, we have another pro driver in the 7:50's with the R35. This is VERY similar to the R32 debacle. Aichtner, Horst, Harris. ALL OF WHICH SAID THEY DIDNT THINK 7:29 WAS IN THE REALM OF POSSIBLE!!!!!!! Obviously the GT-R is a high 7:40's car with these guys, the better tires, and dry tracks. I think with the test driver, the GT-R is at best mid-low 7:40.
Now, where I see the problem is:
I think the GT-R's bulk and weight do help it to handle bumps,curbs etc better sometimes, and thus get better apex speeds than lighter cars sometimes.
My issue though has always been with the GT-R running too much hp at the ring.
Look at the last page of the track data. The GT2 absolutely rapes the GT-R from the last corner prior to straight(galgenkopf), all the way down the straight. In fact it exits galgenkopf faster, and is going 11 mph faster by the first overpass that I've been complaining about. Not to mention the GT-R only reaches a peak speed of 168 mph where as we can clearly see on Nissan's video the GT-R going right along with the ZR-1 which gets to 179 mph, so 10-12 mph faster than this GT-R on that back straight.
Headwind my behind, the ZR-1 still almost matched the GT2 with whatever headwind it had, so it wasnt all that bad.
- Nissan had more power in that GT-R than any stock one that has been sold to any customer. This is just more confirmation for me and anyone else who hasnt got on blinders.
- The car that ran 7:38 ran the back straight just as fast as the 7:29 car. So it was modded too.
So we have two same day same track ring tests. Porsche 2 Nissan 0
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
See Evo and Car magazine for details.
Last edited by heavychevy; 11-21-2008 at 04:31 PM.
This is turning to the R32 all over again. We now have 6 or so guys that havent gotten within 16 seconds of Nissan's time.
Maybe Nissan can teach all of them how to drive.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
I am shocked that a rear wheel drive gt2 actually beat an awd car on a wet track. Just as much as I would have thought that even the 997 turbo wold have had a better chance against the GT2 in the wet. maybe not
Looking at the Video, the track wasnt all that wet. It was damp in a few spots and wet in a few others, but dry track for the majority. The damp parts kept it from being 10 seconds difference.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
The temperature certainly wasn't favoring the GT2 either, as it would likely benefit more from warm tires. Figure a few more seconds of difference in the dry, a few more in the warm, perhaps. The driver did offer that he thought he did a better job of driving the GT-R.
And the huge speed difference on the straight is, as was mentioned above, very telling. 7:29 car had alot of horsies under the hood.
And I guess this is basically the end of the longest thread ever, and the one that led me too 6 speed. lol. I've read this like every day for a while, I'll miss it when its gone.
But is it the end? There are still more questions to be answered, such as relaibility issues. For example, if they ran the cars at the same time for one hour, two, five, even 24 hours what would we see? I suspect the longer we ran them, the clearer we would see why one cost twice as much as the other.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
But this is pretty damning evidencne. The ZR1 should be able to pull a fair bit on a GT2 on a big straightaway, and the GT2 pulled enormously on the GT-R, but the GT-R hung with the ZR1. More power in the 7:29 GT-R.
So I honestly don't think the argument will ever have the same energy as it did before.
So let me get this straight, Porsche tests the GTR and got 7:54 and driver Republic tests the GTR on a damp track and with the slower Bridgestones and got 7:55. Nissan was right - Porsche really needs driving lessons for the GTR.
Well ///M Kevin, apparently there's a recall on BMW's with dual clutch transmissions and its due to problems with the transmission that BMW can't seem to fix right. So much for the ///M badge eh?
So let me get this straight, Porsche tests the GTR and got 7:54 and driver Republic tests the GTR on a damp track and with the slower Bridgestones and got 7:55. Nissan was right - Porsche really needs driving lessons for the GTR.
So let me get this straight, Nissan tests the GTR and got a 7:29.........the rest of the world gets 7:50's. I and heavychevy was right - Nissan should really ease up on their exaggerations.
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