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I did read it properly. Capitalizing the word doesn't change anything. The problems surrounding the recall are in fact recognized and covered by warranty. Nissan has failed to admit a problem, failed to cover an advertised function under warranty, and failed to support the function in future models. What is the underlying theme? Failed. Just like your argument.
A well informed individual would laugh at your "Nissan has failed to admit a problem, failed to cover an advertised function under warranty, and failed to support the function in future models" comment. Either you are very ill informed or just plain trolling. I won't go into the details as to why you are wrong - it's been beaten to death enough already.
And i know that you failed to understand my response to ///M Kevin's mocking of the GTR acronym ie G(Guranteed) T(Transmission) R(Replacement), because if you did, you wouldn't of have replied..."what's that got to do with anything" comment. So who is the TRUE failure here?
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A well informed individual would laugh at your "Nissan has failed to admit a problem, failed to cover an advertised function under warranty, and failed to support the function in future models" comment. Either you are very ill informed or just plain trolling. I won't go into the details as to why you are wrong - it's been beaten to death enough already. So who is the TRUE failure here?
Circular arguments. Again, weak.
Trolling in my own backyard. Weak.
45 posts total...all on this thread - really really really weak.
You won't go into details again because - you're weak.
There is only one true failure:
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I see some glaring problems with the DR comparison:
1. The GT2 is a press car so obviously it is a ringer.
2. The GT2 had well worn tires, thus Harris was running with tires that were basically racing slicks.
3. Chris Harris is obviously a Porsche fanboy. Heck, he races Porsches at the 'ring and obviously knows how to drive 'em better. Isn't he the one who kept stomping the Z06 with the GT2 in that acceleration comparison they did a little while back? That was obviously rigged.
4. If Suzuki had been driving the GTR, it would have run a 7:29. These guys who can turn only 7:50's in a GTR at the 'ring are simply no where near as skillful as the ex-Formula 1 ace. They need some driving lessons from Nissan.
5. The GT2 costs twice as much as the GTR, so what do you expect?
6. I want to know how many times the GTR was launched. Perhaps Harris was driving with an over-launched, weakened transmission.
The 7:55 was on a damp track and on Bridgstones. The Bridgestones are notoriously crap in the wet. Examples: One Lap of America, Targa Tasmania Australia etc. If Harris was on the Dunlops - i wouldn't be surprised if he lapped the car 15 sec faster.
Actually, the GT-R did fine on moist and damp tracks, the situation you are talking about was the monsoon in standing water at TWS. Not even hardly the same. There were other semi-wet conditions that the car did fine in. Besides, like I said before, look at the vids, for the most part the track was fairly dry.
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Originally Posted by Quacker
So Porsche "thinks" that the premium model is faster so they tested the premium model - despite the fact that Nissan said that the 7:29 was done on Dunlops, and the whole world knows that as a fact as well? So are you making excuses for Porsche's ignorance now?
The 7:55 was "barely faster than Nissan's time in the R33" Do you actually believe that the R35 is as fast as the R33? If you do, then you are really in need of help.
The vast majority of GT-R tests have been done on the bridgestones, as was this one. So I guess everyone is ignorant huh? Or maybe everyone (Road and Track, Car and Driver) isnt willing to do whatever neccessary to make sure the GT-R wins (Steve Millen, Tony Swan).
Since you cant understand a sense of humor in your anger, the point is that Nissan LIED on the R33's time too, so when the other entities tried and only got 8:20 it fit right in line with this. The stock R33 is NOT a sub 8:00 car.
AND YOU ARE Z07, AND YOU WILL GET BANNED LIKE THE REST OF THEM!!!
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
See Evo and Car magazine for details.
Last edited by heavychevy; 11-22-2008 at 05:18 PM.
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Originally Posted by Quacker
A well informed individual would laugh at your "Nissan has failed to admit a problem, failed to cover an advertised function under warranty, and failed to support the function in future models" comment. Either you are very ill informed or just plain trolling. I won't go into the details as to why you are wrong - it's been beaten to death enough already.
And i know that you failed to understand my response to ///M Kevin's mocking of the GTR acronym ie G(Guranteed) T(Transmission) R(Replacement), because if you did, you wouldn't of have replied..."what's that got to do with anything" comment. So who is the TRUE failure here?
You are the failure here.
How can a 997 TT owner be a troll on a site he's been a member of and posting on for a long time in a section that involves the car he owns??
Now you on the other hand, well we already know. The faulty designed GT-R which you dont even own is just like the POS service it requires. Look at all the complaints about rattles, overheating, brake fade, maintenance costs. ETC. How many more people are SCARED TO DEATH TO TURN OFF THE VDC!!!!?????
Well informed individuals are the ones who are laughing at Nissan, unless they own a GT-R in which case they are suing or bashing them for refusing to own up to what they have done.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
See Evo and Car magazine for details.
Last edited by heavychevy; 11-22-2008 at 05:34 PM.
Well informed individuals are the ones who are laughing at Nissan, unless they own a GT-R in which case they are suing or bashing them for refusing to own up to what they have done.
...or just enjoying the GT-R for what it is: a unique car that is very very fast and also fun to drive. I just got back from my standard run through the local twisties, and I have no regrets.
...or just enjoying the GT-R for what it is: a unique car that is very very fast and also fun to drive. I just got back from my standard run through the local twisties, and I have no regrets.
But what would you know Chrisn, you're just a GTR owner who've tracked the car and driven it hard. HC and the 'haters' hasn't even seen a GTR in real life yet, let alone driven one - so they know better.
The vast majority of GT-R tests have been done on the bridgestones, as was this one. So I guess everyone is ignorant huh? Or maybe everyone (Road and Track, Car and Driver) isnt willing to do whatever neccessary to make sure the GT-R wins (Steve Millen, Tony Swan).
The press tested whatever models that were given to them, and most of the models available happened to be the premiums on Bridgestones. But for a company such as Porsche to go out of their way and buy a GTR so that they can verify if the 7:29 claim from Nissan is legit, I'm sure they would've done their research and would've known that the GTR that did the 7:29 was on Dunlops and NOT the Bridgestones. You're excuses are looking pathetic and do not make sense HC. Give it up.
The press tested whatever models that were given to them, and most of themodels available happened to be the premiums on Bridgestones. But for a company such as Porsche to go out of their way and buy a GTR so that they can verify if the 7:29 claim from Nissan is legit, I'm sure they would've done their research and would've known that the GTR that did the 7:29 was on Dunlops and NOT the Bridgestones. You're excuses are looking pathetic and do not make sense HC. Give it up.
Porsche tested what everyone had been testing. Because what they were wondering was how the GT-R had been besting the Porsches in the MEDIA, and since the ones in the media were on Bridgestones, THAT'S WHAT THEY TESTED!!!!!!!! If they were within 5 seconds of the 7:29 they likely would've kept their mouth shut. The Dunlops will not account for 27 seconds. PERIOD.
You are the one making excuses here. Not me.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
...or just enjoying the GT-R for what it is: a unique car that is very very fast and also fun to drive. I just got back from my standard run through the local twisties, and I have no regrets.
Thats a cool post. And I don't doubt at all that the GT-R would be a really really fun car to take through the local twisties.
Once the hype (and sometimes BS) Nissan worked so hard to build up around this car dies down, and all those teeming masses of non-GT-R-owners stop invading every corner of the internet and every youtube video talking about the GT-R, I think the big Nissan will find more people interested in one, more success over the long term, and more general respect.
Because what it seems to be - an extremely accessible car with enough power to play with the big boys - is a pretty interesting proposition. Take out the fragile tranny and put in a manual or a torque converter automatic with a locking function or something. From what I gather, it seems like you'd have a car that the average joe could drive quicker than most any other. And I don't doubt there's a good market for that.
Not sure if it was posted before, but even on the topgear test track, the GT2 beat the GTR, even if it was only 0.2s. IMO, while the difference in speed b/w the cars doesn't justify the price difference, other stuff like interior quality makes up for it by miles.
Though I'll admit that personally I wouldn't get either I'll still go with an Aston
Not sure if it was posted before, but even on the topgear test track, the GT2 beat the GTR, even if it was only 0.2s. IMO, while the difference in speed b/w the cars doesn't justify the price difference, other stuff like interior quality makes up for it by miles.
Though I'll admit that personally I wouldn't get either I'll still go with an Aston
I'll still go with an Aston 
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