997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
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I am sure the results are 100% correct. GTR was slower then 911TT and GT2 when driven by Porsche engineer. But I have to ask you, what incentive does Porsche engineer have to drive GTR at its limit, possibly beating his own creations?
Would you guys have believed the story if it was the other way around?
One positive note is that Porsche is taking on the competition seriously. This is good news for the next generation 911TT.
yes they are
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I have yet to see a test where the turbo beats the GTR on a track - apart from the claim from Porsche. And we all know how fair, honest and unbias Porsche is when commenting about its rival, Nissan.
I have yet to see a test where the turbo beats the GTR on a track - apart from the claim from Porsche. And we all know how fair, honest and unbias Porsche is when commenting about Nissan.
How did the GT-R do at Road America and TWS during One Lap?
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Why should Nissan fix the problem when there is no problem? unlike BMW - there is nothing wrong with the GTR's transmission.
Not to get too far off topic but you can't be serious with the above.
1. The have been no mechanical failures of the BMW M-DCT system reported.
2. A few isolated cars have had some serious software problems but most have had only a couple of minor glitches.
3. The recall notice is for a software update to fix the inability to downshift under maximum braking and low speed driveability issues.
Despite the small glitches, the vast majority of M-DCT owners are absolutely thrilled with their tranmissions and BMW has shown a very rapid response by already releasing a major software update that has fixed all but one small remaining glitch with low speed driveability.
The case with the GT-R transmission, failures, warranty denial, fluid change costs, LC issue - everything - is completely different.
Despite the small glitches, the vast majority of M-DCT owners are absolutely thrilled with their tranmissions and BMW has shown a very rapid response by already releasing a major software update that has fixed all but one small remaining glitch with low speed driveability.
The case with the GT-R transmission, failures, warranty denial, fluid change costs, LC issue - everything - is completely different.
Can't deny any of that. OTOH, I think it
s pretty clear that Nissan is just "pushing it" a lot more with their engineering. I kind of don't mind that bargain: we're going to unlock a lot of the car's potential, but if you choose to dance at the edge, do so at you own peril.
If you drive the GT-R 7/10ths or below, you'll still smoke most everything on track and street and have no issues with running costs.
No offense to the E92 M3/DCT (I own an //M car and love it!), but it is not in same league as GT-R on street or on track. Maybe a part of this is due to BMW's more conservative engineering tolerances with gear box and all around.
I reject the notion that Nissan engineers aren't as good as BMW or Porsche-- I just think maybe they are not as conservative.
Not worried about replacing a $20,000.00 transmission when you push the car...
you must have money to burn.
Note: I said "push/not abused" on a road course...
Nissan is denying claims when you turn off VDC (Vechicle Dynamic Control)... which are the electronic nannies that interfer with maxinium car control by the driver.
There is NO EXCUSE for Nissan to be denying claims for switching VDC off...
Nissan put a weak tranny into the GT-R
and so they are forced to rely on electronic gizmo's (like torque control)....
in order to keep the transmission from breaking.
Now who would consider that... Good Engineering ???
Good eve'nin. That the GT-R is a good car, or a better car than a Turbo, or faster around whatever track or better in whatever comparison is of course debateable.
However, the argument that the 7:29 car was NOT a ringer is almost silly at this point. It was FAR up on speed on the straight at the end of the lap from this independent test of a production car. 5 mph is a reasonbly big deal on a long straight like that, even for the most amateur of driver. What does it take for straightaway speed on a long straight? Shift near redline and keep the pedal down. Corners and lines and braking points require great skill and practice, straightaways absolutely do not. My first day at the track with a C6 Z06 I gained on a 997tt on a long straight. The Turbo had a great driver who easily gained/pulled on me through the bulk of the track, but on a big long straight horsepower and weight totally rule and skill plays little role.
Yet the 7:29 car hung with a ZR1 and a production car was enormously beaten by a GT2. Headwind on the ZR1 or not, the ZR1 is a car that pulls nicely on a GT2 (see motortrend video) and this basically means that the 7:29 car was well up on power.
The evidence is reasonably clear (or better), a jury would convict, the 7:29 car was a ringer. Thats it and thats that.
May the GT-R see a great life, may every owner be happy, long live the computer guided car, but seriously, there is little room for debate, the 7:29 GT-R was up on power (and/or down on weight). It was FAR faster tahn the production car.
In this light, while debates over "which car is best" can rage forever, the premise of Porsches commentary that ignited this thread, and the premise of the thread itself must be upheld by anybody with a reasonable mind.
Funny how the Fanboys always posts 1/4 miles times for the GTR. Is the Nissan GTR the answer to the Japanese 1/4 drag car? I thought it was built on the idea of being a great track car?
How did the GT-R do at Road America and TWS during One Lap?
What about when a newbie driver in a GTR beat the Legendary Jim Richards in his Porsche GT2 to win the Quit Targa Tasmania road rally in Australia?
Richards has been dominating for the past 10 years or so in his Posches, but along came the GTR and......
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Correction, Targa West rally.
The fact that an amateur driver entered his privately owned R35 GTR and beat the Australian touring car race driver, Jim Richards in his Porsche sponsored GT2 says a lot about the GTR.
Hhmmm...
Note: I said "push/not abused" on a road course...
Nissan is denying claims when you turn off VDC (Vechicle Dynamic Control)... which are the electronic nannies that interfer with maxinium car control by the driver.
Nissan put a weak tranny into the GT-R
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