997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
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Originally Posted by Akira I am sure the results are 100% correct. GTR was slower then 911TT and GT2 when driven by Porsche engineer. But I have to ask you, what incentive does Porsche engineer have to drive GTR at its limit, possibly beating his own creations?
Would you guys have believed the story if it was the other way around?
One positive note is that Porsche is taking on the competition seriously. This is good news for the next generation 911TT.
Good point, did you ask the same question when Nissan ran their own car? Instead of an independent source getting a car and getting Nissan's driver of choice. Nissan brought their own ringer, isn't this just as suspicious?
I would say this, run what you brung as long as it is street legal. Street legal slicks, fine, ringer motor that is still street legal, fine. Let's see who wins then. The ACR with no AC and barely street legal just did 7:22. A modded Edo 996 Turbo has done 7:15 and it is street legal. So so far if you compare ringers to ringers the GTR is not winning
This is the neverending thread. That is, until Porsche comes out with PDK and DI and embarasses Nissan while still maintaining a warranty.
Porsche should take someone to Tsukuba and beat the fastest stock GT-R time and put it on youtube. That would be awesome.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
What about when a newbie driver in a GTR beat the Legendary Jim Richards in his Porsche GT2 to win the Quit Targa Tasmania road rally in Australia?
Richards has been dominating for the past 10 years or so in his Posches, but along came the GTR and......
What?????? Wow the only place the GTR seems to win any races is in Australia and Japan.
What about when a newbie driver in a GTR beat the Legendary Jim Richards in his Porsche GT2 to win the Quit Targa Tasmania road rally in Australia?
Richards has been dominating for the past 10 years or so in his Posches, but along came the GTR and......
The lengendary Tiger Woods to most is the worlds best golf player period got beat by a #56 ranked player by the name of Zach Johnson by two strokes and lost the Masters. Not only that Zach was one of the highest scoring players in the history of the Masters.
OMG! That cannot be. Tiger Woods must suck now. I mean he lost to a #56 player and for the first time in the history of the masters no person ranked above #50 ever won a masters.
Moving foward...where are they now...Oh yeah look at Zach's record.
Just because you fix one pipe doesn't make you a plumber.
The lengendary Tiger Woods to most is the worlds best golf player period got beat by a #56 ranked player by the name of Zach Johnson by two strokes and lost the Masters. Not only that Zach was one of the highest scoring players in the history of the Masters.
OMG! That cannot be. Tiger Woods must suck now. I mean he lost to a #56 player and for the first time in the history of the masters no person ranked above #50 ever won a masters.
Moving foward...where are they now...Oh yeah look at Zach's record.
Just because you fix one pipe doesn't make you a plumber.
Correct me if i'm wrong but there are numerous track tests where the GTR is faster than the GT2 in the hands of a professional driver, and vice versa. So the two are pretty much even and which car wins pretty much depends on the track layout.
So are you saying that the GTR is Tiger Woods and Zach Johnson is 911 Turbo? Cos the GTR has whipped the turbo's ass in EVERY FRICKEN TRACK TEST. It wasn't a one off caning, but in EVERY TEST. So there's your analogy with Tiger Woods and Zach Johnson mate. Worse yet, the turbo can't even do a 'Zach Johnson' on the GTR - it has'nt even fluke a win....
Correct me if i'm wrong but there are numerous track tests where the GTR is faster than the GT2 in the hands of a professional driver, and vice versa. So the two are pretty much even and which car wins pretty much depends on the track layout.
So are you saying that the GTR is Tiger Woods and Zach Johnson is 911 Turbo? Cos the GTR has whipped the turbo's ass in EVERY FRICKEN TRACK TEST. It wasn't a one off caning, but in EVERY TEST. So there's your analogy with Tiger Woods and Zach Johnson mate. Worse yet, the turbo can't even do a 'Zach Johnson' on the GTR - it has'nt even fluke a win....
Most of the "it's faster than GT2" claims are based on times from diff drivers on diff days. Most head-to-head (same driver / same track / same day) are versus the Turbo, and GT-R always wins. Those are the tests that I trust (in aggregate, averaging out for all the one-off weirdness that HC likes to talk about).
In VERY skilled hands, around most tracks, I think the GT2 should be faster than GT-R.
I suspect, however, that if you randomly selected 100 Porsche owners from 6SPeed and gave them a day in the GT2 on track and a day in the GT-R on track, that 90% would be faster in the GT-R--- plus you'd probably end up with a few wrecked GT2s.
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what?????? Wow the only place the gtr seems to win any races is in australia and japan.
pretty much!!!!
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There is (1) known motor in the ATL, GA area that has blown - no warranty. Call up Regal Nissan if they will tell you.
There are (2) known transmissions are toast - no warranty. One posted on here and the other was the blown motor as well with Regal Nissan.
Things happen and no one claims perfect cars on either side.
But if you are going to create a everymans supercar - wouldn't you think you would also put the cost of maitenance at the price point you are trying to market to?
5-6K - Brakes - no options at the moment but rotor/brake pad replacement combo.
1-1.5K - Fluid Changes - Every 1800Km if you race the car.
Oil Changes of $240-$300
Motor is around 60K at the moment
Transmission is around 12-18K? or is that more?
Tires are special to the Nissan and is around $2000-$2500?
This is not bashing on the GT-R - as I don't care about ring times as I can't drive it that fast and 99% of the people on here never will either.
I own a 997s (also had owned 993 & 996) it is not fair to quote 1 or 2 isolated incident and say the GTR is bad. I know friends that owns GTRs, drive them hard and only change oil every 5-6000kms - NO problem at all for 50,000kms. One Premium edition GTR (all stock except with re-map ECU) went to race track last week. Compare with a heavily modified 997tt, the 997tt (slick tires) is 1:51 vs GTR 1:53 (stock tires) ! I know GTR is faster, but it won't make me want to replace my 997s with a GTR. The satisfaction of driving a Porsche can't be replaced !!
and a few wrecked GTR's because of over-confidence. Remember that is just an dangerous on a track.
Pardon me, and I don't mean any disrespect.
Have you been in or driven a GTR ? It is very easy to drive and anyone can go fast in it ! One has to be a terrible driver to crash the GTR.
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