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You guys are going to laugh, but I actually have a Panamera on order as well-- although the bubble butt is giving me pause. I guess I go for the inner beauty....
Maybe I'll get an award for Ugliest Stable
ROFL... you know what, I seem to remember everyone saying the same things about the Cayenne about 4-5 years ago and now look
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Good point. I think it will grow on people. The front looks awesome.
And it's a Porsche.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
You guys are going to laugh, but I actually have a Panamera on order as well-- although the bubble butt is giving me pause. I guess I go for the inner beauty....
Maybe I'll get an award for Ugliest Stable
Congrats! I like it's looks. Geez, chrisn, I've always heard that the one who dies with the most toys wins. I believe you have most, if not all of us beat!
Most of the "it's faster than GT2" claims are based on times from diff drivers on diff days. Most head-to-head (same driver / same track / same day) are versus the Turbo, and GT-R always wins. Those are the tests that I trust (in aggregate, averaging out for all the one-off weirdness that HC likes to talk about).
In VERY skilled hands, around most tracks, I think the GT2 should be faster than GT-R.
I suspect, however, that if you randomly selected 100 Porsche owners from 6SPeed and gave them a day in the GT2 on track and a day in the GT-R on track, that 90% would be faster in the GT-R--- plus you'd probably end up with a few wrecked GT2s.
Not true. Wheels magazine did a test with the GTR vs GT2 and use the same driver. The driver wasn't no journal either - he is a professional race driver who races in the Australian touring car championship. Anyway, he had extensive experience in the GT2 before but had never driven the GTR. On his second lap in the GTR on the Willow springs race track - he bet his personal best time in the GT2 by more than 2 secs. Everyone who was watching, including himself was in awe.
Both cars were driven by the same driver, on the same day and the track was dry.
You made up half of that paragraph. The guy was a rally driver, the test was in Australia, not willow springs, on a dusty track, and the guy did not have extensive experience in a GT2.
Could you be any more desperate?
The fact is that the GT2 is substantially faster, period, point blank. And no matter how many random tests pop up with biased media (which we know is huge in Australia for the GT-R, though they try to act differently), beating a GT2, everyone knows the true story.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Nissan won't be releasing any Spec V N-ring times, and now the disillusionment from even the most ardent GTR proponents is starting to reveal itself:
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in any case, im saddened by nissans attempt to fool buyers by using just nurinburgring times. other track times are improved as shown, but only marginal for such a huge leap in price. who needs those carbon ceramics if the spec-v is going to overheat anyways... see the point.
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You made up half of that paragraph. The guy was a rally driver, the test was in Australia, not willow springs, on a dusty track, and the guy did not have extensive experience in a GT2.
Could you be any more desperate?
The fact is that the GT2 is substantially faster, period, point blank. And no matter how many random tests pop up with biased media (which we know is huge in Australia for the GT-R, though they try to act differently), beating a GT2, everyone knows the true story.
So first it's the American media that is biased towards the GTR, then it's the UK media, and now it's the Australian media? What's next - the whole world?
Okay, so i made a mistake - it was tested in Australia by a rally driver. But the fact remains that he is a professional driver and he had experience in the GT2 before. And the fact still remains that the GTR beat the GT2 by more than 2 secs on the same track, same day, same driver. What makes the caning more remarkable was the fact that the GT2 was a prep car provided by Porsche, and the GTR was a privately owned import. Must've been a ringer eh?
Oh by the way, wheels magazine in Australia has always had a soft spot for Porsches. Porsches have been winning their 'performance car of the year' tests nearly every single year. So don't go around saying that the Australian magazines are biased towards the GTR.
So first it's the American media that is biased towards the GTR, then it's the UK media, and now it's the Australian media? What's next - the whole world?
Okay, so i made a mistake - it was tested in Australia by a rally driver. But the fact remains that he is a professional driver and he had experience in the GT2 before. And the fact still remains that the GTR beat the GT2 by more than 2 secs on the same track, same day, same driver. What makes the caning more remarkable was the fact that the GT2 was a prep car provided by Porsche, and the GTR was a privately owned import. Must've been a ringer eh?
Oh by the way, wheels magazine in Australia has always had a soft spot for Porsches. Porsches have been winning their 'performance car of the year' tests nearly every single year. So don't go around saying that the Australian magazines are biased towards the GTR.
The test results speak for themselves.
The UK -> Evo, Autocar and Car magazine for reasons I've stated
Japan -> Best Motoring for reasons we all know
US-> C&D lying on trap speeds and inserting Tony swan at the lightning lap, R&T with Steve Millens garbage
You can pick your isolated rally test from Australia, but the fact is, in unbiased testing the GT-R has been getting romped. It's not on the same level, PERIOD. So hang your hat on that remote island test while everyone is watching Nissan get bashed for getting raped at the ring while also caught in another lie.
and oh yeah, go buy one before you talk, "I've driven one around the block" doesnt qualify you to talk.
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Can you leave your computer seat for a moment, take a breath and get a GTR before you post again?
c'mon man QuaCKer/porsherboy is only 11 years old, give him a break. He's already driven the GTR at PS2 speeds you can only dream of.
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So first it's the American media that is biased towards the GTR, then it's the UK media, and now it's the Australian media? What's next - the whole world?
Okay, so i made a mistake - it was tested in Australia by a rally driver. But the fact remains that he is a professional driver and he had experience in the GT2 before. And the fact still remains that the GTR beat the GT2 by more than 2 secs on the same track, same day, same driver. What makes the caning more remarkable was the fact that the GT2 was a prep car provided by Porsche, and the GTR was a privately owned import. Must've been a ringer eh?
Oh by the way, wheels magazine in Australia has always had a soft spot for Porsches. Porsches have been winning their 'performance car of the year' tests nearly every single year. So don't go around saying that the Australian magazines are biased towards the GTR.
Wasnt gentlemen Jim Richards a previous Nissan GTR factory driver? His car and his driving was the reason the GTR got the nickname Godzilla. Also isnt Jim Richards a retired 60+uyear old driver way past his due by date?
What about when a newbie driver in a GTR beat the Legendary Jim Richards in his Porsche GT2 to win the Quit Targa Tasmania road rally in Australia?
Richards has been dominating for the past 10 years or so in his Posches, but along came the GTR and......
A sea of DNF for the GTR R35
Pos = Stage Position
Inc = Incomplete, no stage position available
==== = Cleaned the Stage
2008 Targa Tasmania
Porsche GT2
Dvr:
Jim Richards - VIC
Co-Dvr:
Barry Oliver - Tas
Veh:
2008 Porsche 911 GT2
Class:
CM14
Stage
Penalty
Base
Pos
TS0 Prologue
03:16.64
00:00.00
Inc
TS1 Entally
====
04:30
=1
TS2 Deloraine
====
06:30
=1
TS3 Reedy Marsh
====
03:00
=1
TS4 Paradise
====
07:00
=1
TS5
TS6 Hartford
00:05
02:30
1
TS7 Frankford
00:06
03:30
2
TS8 Kayena
00:01
03:00
=5
TS9 Beaconsfield
====
02:30
=1
TS10 The Sideling
01:23
06:30
3
TS11 Legerwood
====
02:30
=1
TS12 Moorina
00:32
03:30
=4
TS13 Weldborough Pass Long
01:01
06:00
5
TS14 Pyengana
00:16
03:00
=6
TS15 Elephant Saddle
01:04
05:00
5
TS16 Rossarden
00:02
05:30
3
TS17 Longford
====
03:00
=1
TS18 High Plains
====
02:00
=1
TS19 Dunorlan
====
04:00
=1
TS20 Merseylea
00:27
04:30
3
TS21 Devonport City
====
02:30
=1
TS22 Paloona
====
07:30
=1
TS23 Mt Claude
====
04:30
=1
TS24 Liena
====
05:00
=1
TS25 Caveside
00:12
02:00
=4
TS26 Mole Creek
00:08
02:00
=3
TS27 Cethana
00:14
17:00
3
TS28 Gunns Plains
00:35
07:00
=6
TS29 South Riana
00:03
11:30
5
TS30 Hellyer Gorge
00:50
07:00
1
TS31 Bastyan Dam
00:04
02:30
=3
TS32 Reece Dam
====
13:30
=1
TS33 Strahan
00:17
15:30
13
TS34 Queenstown
01:02
03:00
=5
TS35 Mt Arrowsmith
====
21:30
=1
TS36 Tungatinah
00:23
04:00
=13
TS37 Risdon Brook
00:21
03:00
=6
TS38 Hobart
====
01:30
=1
Dvr:
Tony Alford - QLD
Co-Dvr:
Karl Farmer - QLD
Veh:
2007 Nissan GTR R35
Class:
CM14
Nissan GTR R35
Stage
Penalty
Base
Pos
TS0 Prologue
03:16.64
00:00.00
Inc
TS1 Entally
====
04:30
=1
TS2 Deloraine
====
06:30
=1
TS3 Reedy Marsh
====
03:00
=1
TS4 Paradise
00:09
07:00
22
TS5
TS6 Hartford
00:16
02:30
=14
TS7 Frankford
00:26
03:30
=26
TS8 Kayena
00:18
03:00
=40
TS9 Beaconsfield
====
02:30
=1
TS10 The Sideling
DNF
06:30
Inc
TS11 Legerwood
DNF
02:30
Inc
TS12 Moorina
DNF
03:30
Inc
TS13 Weldborough Pass Long
DNF
06:00
Inc
TS14 Pyengana
DNF
03:00
Inc
TS15 Elephant Saddle
DNF
05:00
Inc
TS16 Rossarden
DNF
05:30
Inc
TS17 Longford
DNF
03:00
Inc
TS18 High Plains
DNF
02:00
Inc
TS19 Dunorlan
DNF
04:00
Inc
TS20 Merseylea
DNF
04:30
Inc
TS21 Devonport City
DNF
02:30
Inc
TS22 Paloona
DNF
07:30
Inc
TS23 Mt Claude
DNF
04:30
Inc
TS24 Liena
DNF
05:00
Inc
TS25 Caveside
DNF
02:00
Inc
TS26 Mole Creek
DNF
02:00
Inc
TS27 Cethana
DNF
17:00
Inc
TS28 Gunns Plains
DNF
07:00
Inc
TS29 South Riana
DNF
11:30
Inc
TS30 Hellyer Gorge
DNF
07:00
Inc
TS31 Bastyan Dam
DNF
02:30
Inc
TS32 Reece Dam
DNF
13:30
Inc
TS33 Strahan
DNF
15:30
Inc
TS34 Queenstown
DNF
03:00
Inc
TS35 Mt Arrowsmith
DNF
21:30
Inc
TS36 Tungatinah
DNF
04:00
Inc
TS37 Risdon Brook
DNF
03:00
Inc
TS38 Hobart
DNF
01:30
Inc
Last edited by monaroCountry; 12-02-2008 at 06:52 PM.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
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