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So Evo has been giving out Car of the Year awards to Porsche's, but the GT-R beats the baddest Porsche on sale for their Car of the Year crown. Pretty impressive. But again this is still just a magazine award, like the Automobile and Motor Trend Car of the Year trophies the GT-R has now collected. But Evo is a damn good magazine, and the level of competition was pretty spectacular for this test: Gallardo LP-560, Porsche GT2, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, and Alfa Romeo 8C
Another GT-R owner has gone 10.8@128mph+ using the fragile tranny and LC... Wow that tranny sure is a pile of crap. The haters have been saying it is only rated to 550 pound feet of torque and will explode if you exceed that number. That GT-R is making 600 pound feet to the wheels, using the LC on a sticky drag strip. Perhaps if you do 50 launches on it within the first 3 weeks of ownership, before anything is even broken in, you will blow it up? Running 600 pound feet and 600+ horsepower at a drag strip while using LC would surely blow it up if there is a design flaw with the gearbox. I am sure the clutches in that gearbox are not enjoying the additional 120+ horsepower and 170 pound feet of torque, but so far so good. I guess when these cars are running as fast as a Veyron with under $8000 worth of mods next year people on this board may give the car some respect.....NOT!
This car really is as Autocar's Chris Harris says, a Baby Veyron.
So the GT-R's are already running 10.8 1/4's with 129-133mph traps with the stock exhaust still in place. If these tranny's are not made of glass, then this car will be running 9 second passes next year with some of the turbo kits in development. But then again it is still an ugly Nissan POS right everyone?
That GT-R had bigger turbos and everything but a new exhaust. And even the stock exhaust is modded. And he only ran one run with launch control and his motto was:
"if it breaks it breaks, we were going to have to replace it anyways"
You're going to have to do better with that.
As evident in the COTY, the civic beating out the lambo shows that car of the year isnt about who fastest or anything, it's basically a subjective opinion which amounts to them putting on there the most logical choice which will sell magazines. And the GT-R is the leader of front cover magazines sold.
I think the GT-R deserves COTY. Nissan put 5 years and everything they have into it, it's new, it's a contender, it's affordable, it's new technology and daily driveability all in one. As opposed to everything else which is revisions of things we've seen before. Several mags have called the GT-R COTY, and I have no objection to it, they will sell lots of magazine.
COTY is great recognition for Nissans level of commitment to the car.......
TOO BAD COTY WONT MAKE BACK ANY OF THAT MONEY THEY ARE LOSING!!!!!!!
Porsche made profits on all of it's COTY's
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
So he ran his first 0-60 in 2.39, and maybe another one or two, but then after a few more his 0-60 is bound to go to INFINITY seconds. To infinity and beyond
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... much like the Veyron it is sinfully homely (the Bugatti of course looks like it is sucking on a lemon).
But it is a totally impressive car. With or without mods, with or without doctoring Ring numbers, with or without allegations of premature breakdowns.
Not sure why so many on this thread are having a problem with it. Hats off to these folks for building a remarkable machine. It will no doubt push all performance car makers to rethink their price/performance assumptions - and everything else that goes with it.
As a dedicated Porsche owner, I think it's great news.
Oh, and did I mention that it's really unattractive? Unless the look of a Japanese Camaro thrills ya'. (sorry, just can't resist)
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So Evo has been giving out Car of the Year awards to Porsche's, but the GT-R beats the baddest Porsche on sale for their Car of the Year crown. Pretty impressive. But again this is still just a magazine award, like the Automobile and Motor Trend Car of the Year trophies the GT-R has now collected. But Evo is a damn good magazine, and the level of competition was pretty spectacular for this test: Gallardo LP-560, Porsche GT2, Aston Martin V8 Vantage, and Alfa Romeo 8C
Another GT-R owner has gone 10.8@128mph+ using the fragile tranny and LC... Wow that tranny sure is a pile of crap. The haters have been saying it is only rated to 550 pound feet of torque and will explode if you exceed that number. That GT-R is making 600 pound feet to the wheels, using the LC on a sticky drag strip. Perhaps if you do 50 launches on it within the first 3 weeks of ownership, before anything is even broken in, you will blow it up? Running 600 pound feet and 600+ horsepower at a drag strip while using LC would surely blow it up if there is a design flaw with the gearbox. I am sure the clutches in that gearbox are not enjoying the additional 120+ horsepower and 170 pound feet of torque, but so far so good. I guess when these cars are running as fast as a Veyron with under $8000 worth of mods next year people on this board may give the car some respect.....NOT!
This car really is as Autocar's Chris Harris says, a Baby Veyron.
So the GT-R's are already running 10.8 1/4's with 129-133mph traps with the stock exhaust still in place. If these tranny's are not made of glass, then this car will be running 9 second passes next year with some of the turbo kits in development. But then again it is still an ugly Nissan POS right everyone?
That GT-R had bigger turbos and everything but a new exhaust. And even the stock exhaust is modded. And he only ran one run with launch control and his motto was:
"if it breaks it breaks, we were going to have to replace it anyways"
I would appreciate it if you get your facts straight before you start talking about someone else's car. I say this because you're talking about MY GT-R.
The car is running the stock turbos. It's also running a straight midpipe and titanium catback exhaust. ECU tuned to up stock boost. Upgraded air intake (from panel filters to cones.)
As far as my "motto" that you mention, I merely stated that because I'm not afraid if the tranny does in fact break. We must push the car to its limits in order to discover what its capable of.
And I did not only run once with launch control. I have about *100* launches on the car and many with the higher HP. I launched it twice at the strip last night -- mis-shifting (hit rev limiter) in both runs. We're heading back to the track tomorrow to improve on things.
So again, if you're going to talk smack about someone's car, please get your facts straight. Because your implications are that the car owner is a LIAR by the way you made your statement.
how do you miss a shift on a basically auto tranny. Also what are the mystery turbos in the GTR? What kind of Turbos can make a 4000lb car go 10.8 in the 1/4 and still have no lag? I know variable geometry is patented for use with porsche so if Nissan is using it, hmmm, might be some problem there. I large garret will definitely not give the low end response these cars have.
Where is the info on this car? I'd like to see the write up on it, would be very interesting.
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how do you miss a shift on a basically auto tranny. Also what are the mystery turbos in the GTR? What kind of Turbos can make a 4000lb car go 10.8 in the 1/4 and still have no lag? I know variable geometry is patented for use with porsche so if Nissan is using it, hmmm, might be some problem there. I large garret will definitely not give the low end response these cars have.
Where is the info on this car? I'd like to see the write up on it, would be very interesting.
That was in manual mode. I hit the rev limiter at the top of 2nd.
Thanks for posting up John! Yes sometimes the "facts" get in the way on this forum as some of the guys have a passionate dislike of the GT-R. Why? Who knows? So again the facts are stock turbos, cat back exhaust (my mistake), Cobb Ecu, Meth Kit, Boost controller, air filters and the HKS 570 kit. So around $10,000 worth of mods I presume John? That gets the GT-R to go:
Impressive performance and it sounds like there is plenty more left in the car with some fine tuning. Perhaps a 10.5 or so? Nice to hear that you have done over 100 launches on this car already without any issues. Good to have some actual facts, from actual owners, instead of biased hearsay and innuendo.
Thanks for posting up John! Yes sometimes the "facts" get in the way on this forum as some of the guys have a passionate dislike of the GT-R. Why? Who knows? So again the facts are stock turbos, cat back exhaust (my mistake), Cobb Ecu, Meth Kit, Boost controller, air filters and the HKS 570 kit. So around $10,000 worth of mods I presume John? That gets the GT-R to go:
Impressive performance and it sounds like there is plenty more left in the car with some fine tuning. Perhaps a 10.5 or so? Nice to hear that you have done over 100 launches on this car already without any issues. Good to have some actual facts, from actual owners, instead of biased hearsay and innuendo.
It's probably closer to $11K, but primarily because $5K of that is my Amuse Ti exhaust. They charge a premium for their stuff, but I loved their exhaust design so I wanted it for the car. I'm sure a $1500 version would provide very similar performance; in fact, that Amuse isn't exactly the best free-flowing design. But again, I like how it looks and sounds.
And, YES, plenty more left in the car. Heading back to the track tomorrow and I'd be shocked if we didn't get below 10.8.
This thread has gotten really off topic. We are talking about sports cars and the Nurburgring. As HC has said before, it doesn't take much to make a car go fast in the quarter. Aren't their 9-second Civics? With the exception of Mr. Suzuki, no one else has been able to get the stock GTR under 7:50. That is the topic.
Good to see the actual owner on board. Welcome! Congrats on pushing the limits of the car in a relatively short amount of time! It is insane that you have over 100 launches on the car, even when modified. What can you attest the tranny failures to then?
Good to see the actual owner on board. Welcome! Congrats on pushing the limits of the car in a relatively short amount of time! It is insane that you have over 100 launches on the car, even when modified. What can you attest the tranny failures to then?
Thanks! BTW, I love Porsches -- have had several.
I think (as well as several others) that the tranny failures are due to launching the car many times in a short amount of time. Trans fluid gets too hot to protect the gears. From all the feedback we've heard about the few that have broken, they all had that in common - launch after launch in a short amount of time. One car had like 17 in a row or something.
I launch the car a lot but I wait at least 15-20 minutes (or more) between launches. So far so good.
Wow that tranny sure is a pile of crap. The haters have been saying it is only rated to 550 pound feet of torque and will explode if you exceed that number. That GT-R is making 600 pound feet to the wheels, using the LC on a sticky drag strip. Perhaps if you do 50 launches on it within the first 3 weeks of ownership, before anything is even broken in, you will blow it up? Running 600 pound feet and 600+ horsepower at a drag strip while using LC would surely blow it up if there is a design flaw with the gearbox. I am sure the clutches in that gearbox are not enjoying the additional 120+ horsepower and 170 pound feet of torque, but so far so good. I guess when these cars are running as fast as a Veyron with under $8000 worth of mods next year people on this board may give the car some respect.....NOT!
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