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Yeah, but it costs a lot more than $12000 to make a civic run in the 10s. Besides, i can make a go-cart run in the 9's - what's your point?
My point is anyone can make a car go fast, just as you said. It may cost more than 12 grand to make the civic go fast, but the Civic is a hell of a lot cheaper to begin with. This is no great feat. Make it go fast for 24 hours.
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My point is give credit where credit is due. The guy has the fastest 1/4 mile R35 GTR in the country - if not the world. Yet, you sound like an arse with your comment.
He also has abused the F**ck out of his tranny - around 100 launches, and it's still holding up. Not as weak as you all make it out to be is it?
A little overly sensitive there Quacker !!!
You're starting to sound like a "potty mouth" !!!
This thread started out questioning Nissan's credibility with their reported Ring times. Especially the FABLED ~7:29 lap. The conclusion is that...
NISSAN ran a RINGER !!!
Now you GT-R fanbois are bragging about 1/4 mile times getting into the "ten's"...
with a modded GT-R equiped with drag radical tires,
that took the stock ~ 480 hp. engine and boosted it to ~ 700 hp. !!!
It may be a first for the new GT-R...
but other brands have been achieving that "feat" for years.
Some have even been able to turn "ten's"... STOCK.
Johny Turbo has pushed the envelope with the GT-R...
and He (not you)...
deserves Congrats for his efforts !!!
Other's will follow... that's kinda the way it works !!!
Oh... and about the reliablity issues...
GT-R Owners are the ones who reported that ...
Nissan is denying Warranty claims, on the GT-R's powertrain.
Last edited by trumperZ06; 12-07-2008 at 11:44 AM.
How is a car with stock turbos, pipes, and tune "highly" modded? Please do explain. You also compare the times to a stock ZO6. Are we supposed to be shocked? That car isn't even considered in the initial argument because no one questions its performance. Either way you look at it, those trap speeds are indicative of a lot of power the stock turbos are pushing out. In fact I don't know of any car running those trap speeds on stock turbos.
it was tuned by cobb racing, how is that not modded?
props to the tuner, excellent job.
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1. He's got the fastest known R35 GT-R on the internet.
2. He's abused his transmission, and it has survived. So this confirms that there are no problems with the GT-R's tranny.
Again...like I've said...I'll take my chances in my 997TT, or 996TT for that matter.
yup, one good tranny doesn't prove anything, I would hope that there are at least a few out there surviving. But you gotta admit that the fact that Nissan is removing the launch control from all future GTR's says it all.
As for This GTR, excellent run.
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it was tuned by cobb racing, how is that not modded?
Never said it wasn't modded; hell I even acknowledged the mods. I would hardly consider it "highly" modded though. It might make close to 700 hp, but it didn't take a lot of mods to get there, unlike a lot of other cars out there. The block, head, turbos, intercooler, clutch, diffs, axles, ecu, are all still stock with the exception of a piggyback and pipes.
Last edited by jpvarghese; 12-07-2008 at 12:25 PM.
I would appreciate it if you get your facts straight before you start talking about someone else's car. I say this because you're talking about MY GT-R.
The car is running the stock turbos. It's also running a straight midpipe and titanium catback exhaust. ECU tuned to up stock boost. Upgraded air intake (from panel filters to cones.)
As far as my "motto" that you mention, I merely stated that because I'm not afraid if the tranny does in fact break. We must push the car to its limits in order to discover what its capable of.
And I did not only run once with launch control. I have about *100* launches on the car and many with the higher HP. I launched it twice at the strip last night -- mis-shifting (hit rev limiter) in both runs. We're heading back to the track tomorrow to improve on things.
So again, if you're going to talk smack about someone's car, please get your facts straight. Because your implications are that the car owner is a LIAR by the way you made your statement.
Thank you.
Excellent response, direct to the point and civil. But i hope you do realized that you quoted Heavychevy, not Galactus. BTW, welcome to 6speed.
EDIT: Never mind, you got it right the first time.
Never said it wasn't modded; hell I even acknowledged the mods. I would hardly consider it "highly" modded though. It might make close to 700 hp, but it didn't take a lot of mods to get there, unlike a lot of other cars out there. The block, head, turbos, intercooler, clutch, diffs, axles, ecu, are all still stock with the exception of a piggyback and pipes.
agreed, the turbos are obviously capable of lots of power. However, the reason the car accelerates so fast is also it's achilles heel. This car may not have failed, but that stock clutch/tranny will go like others have done before it and it will still cost 20k. The carrera is also going to be fast for an NA car and the turbo will be real fast with pdk when it gets it.
However, give me a 6 speed any day. Even if I am a second slower than a new auto/stick with launch control, I will still have more fun.
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Hey guys. I just got my "thank you gift" from Nissan: a nice GT-R book, with great photography. They have a two-page spread on the (in)famous Nurburgring run on April 16/17, 2008. Very prominent listing of the 7:29 time and that it was second faster production car around the Ring (#1 is the Zonda).
Not new news, but thought it was a bit notable that-- far from backing down-- they are now using Suzuki's 7:29 run as the advertising blurb. The Owner's Manual says 7:38.
After how many attempts though....a hundred? in reality, GTR will smoke Z06 9 outta 10 times at the lights. The Z06 driver will have to get his launch perfect to beat the GTR driver, and it aint easy to do that on demand.
Besides, we all know how crappy the build quality of the Z06 is, but that's for another forum...
9/10 times huh?
This...coming from someone who doesn't own either a GT-R or a Z06.
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For the record, my GT-R has NOT been properly tuned yet. Cobb did make a custom map for us based on some stuff we asked for, but we have not properly tuned the car yet (i.e. access a dyno for a few hours and tweak things.) Our only 'tuning' has been done one pass at a time at the track -- sometimes waiting 2 hours at a time; hardly an efficient way to tune.
But speaking of records, set a new one today... 10.80@126.54. Our traps are a bit low and we really need to get on a dyno in the next week or so.
We did have a KILLER 60ft today during the 10.80 run. 1.51!!!
And oh yeah, after hooking that hard and pulling that 1.51 (full launch control used) I am beginning more and more (as are others) to believe that this 'weak GT-R tranny' stuff IS A MYTH. I really believe it was a bad batch of gearboxes and/or it had more to do with many successive launches and/or also high temps that couldn't protect the gears. Because I continue to launch the hell out of the car and have no problems at all -- yet I'm letting things cool down between launches.
Be careful with those formulas. Hard to argue with the basic concept that trap speed DEPENDS on power and mass (Newton taught us that).
Issue is that the formulas you are using include some baseline/calibration constants and coefficients that make the formula work accurately only for a certain class of cars/conditions.
A couple of things to be careful of:
1. LC or any good AWD launch will have you on the power for longer, which is going to increase Traps a bit
WRONG, AWD decreases trap speeds as does a better launch. Notice that Johns fastest ET is not his highest trap speed. This is very common. RWD and AWD cars of the same kind will always net higher trap speed in the WRD car due to less weight from the additional components and less non-aero drag.
2. Formulas don't know about fancy dual clutch trannies. Less power, but being applied continuously will be equal to more power that has to pause for shifting. This is drag racing where powershifts, sometime clutchless are common, no different raping a manual than a GT-R tranny that is planning on breaking anyways if you launch it.
4. Lots and lots of minor things like aero, ambient conditions, ec, etc.
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Originally Posted by jpvarghese
How is a car with stock turbos, pipes, and tune "highly" modded? Please do explain. You also compare the times to a stock ZO6. Are we supposed to be shocked? That car isn't even considered in the initial argument because no one questions its performance. Either way you look at it, those trap speeds are indicative of a lot of power the stock turbos are pushing out. In fact I don't know of any car running those trap speeds on stock turbos.
Sorry dude but if you are running:
mickey thompsons
Methanol
19 psi
wastegate actuators
electronic boost controller
along with aluminum intercooler piping
silicon hose couplers
straight pipes
It's not lightly modded. It's considered bolt-ons, but lets not act like it's just a tune here. This is a highly modified (not heavily which I presume to be internal engine upgrades) vehicle on MT slicks. Heck if he has the straight pipes the car isnt eve street legal.
I would think a mid 11's car with that much put into it should run high 10's with MT radials on it. Let's not act like it ran 9's or something.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
For the record, my GT-R has NOT been properly tuned yet. Cobb did make a custom map for us based on some stuff we asked for, but we have not properly tuned the car yet (i.e. access a dyno for a few hours and tweak things.) Our only 'tuning' has been done one pass at a time at the track -- sometimes waiting 2 hours at a time; hardly an efficient way to tune.
But speaking of records, set a new one today... 10.80@126.54. Our traps are a bit low and we really need to get on a dyno in the next week or so.
We did have a KILLER 60ft today during the 10.80 run. 1.51!!!
And oh yeah, after hooking that hard and pulling that 1.51 (full launch control used) I am beginning more and more (as are others) to believe that this 'weak GT-R tranny' stuff IS A MYTH. I really believe it was a bad batch of gearboxes and/or it had more to do with many successive launches and/or also high temps that couldn't protect the gears. Because I continue to launch the hell out of the car and have no problems at all -- yet I'm letting things cool down between launches.
I'm sure you have heard this or may in the future, but Mickey thompsons are easier on the drivetrain than street tires and generic drag radials like KDW's. Why? Because they prevent the number one drivetrain/rear end killer, WHEEL HOP. Your car is safer on Mickey Thompsons than any other tire because the sidewalls are much softer.
You seem to have been ok with the number of launches you've had, but appearantly everyone does have that luck. Just like some guys got a Z06 who's roof didnt fly off, even though they lived in very hot climates, and some guys didnt get a 2nd gear pop-out in a 996 TT no matter how they tracked, launched, or misshifted. It doesnt mean that every last tranny will fail.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
A little overly sensitive there Quacker !!!
This thread started out questioning Nissan's credibility with their reported Ring times. Especially the FABLED ~7:29 lap. The conclusion is that...
Now you GT-R fanbois are bragging about 1/4 mile times getting into the "ten's"...
It may be a first for the new GT-R...
Johny Turbo has pushed the envelope with the GT-R... 
in reality, GTR will smoke Z06 9 outta 10 times at the lights. The Z06 driver will have to get his launch perfect to beat the GTR driver, and it aint easy to do that on demand.
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