997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
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HAHAHA!! I think we can all come up to the conclusion that the ring times did not occur in as-delivered condition as much as several loyalists would love to believe. Too many tests out there to prove it. Common sense and physics cannot be defied by that much. Sure Nissan has a video with time, but videos don't show horsepower numbers. The car had to have been running higher-than-stock boost and the suspension had to have been tweaked just for the circuit with an appropriate set of tires.
I think the GT-R is a legitimate 7.38 car around the Ring as Nissan first reported. Then I believe they got a little greedy and perhaps sent out a prototype Spec V car to set the 7.29 time. Although if the production Spec V has only 485 horsepower, perhaps the prototype was packing 550+?
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Ahh now I get the Meth. Injection No VANDER! NO VANDER!
Galactus - do yo honestly believe that the V-Spec is only going to carry over 5 hp more and 200 lbs less for 50% more money?
They have integrated overboost instead of HP? This sounds like what they coin in the Audio Industry a "Cheaper Amp".
8 ohms = 90Watts to compete with the lower class but bring it down to .5ohms = 1000Watts for about 5 mins before it blows.
Ahh now I get the Meth. Injection No VANDER! NO VANDER!
Galactus - do yo honestly believe that the V-Spec is only going to carry over 5 hp more and 200 lbs less for 50% more money?
They have integrated overboost instead of HP? This sounds like what they coin in the Audio Industry a "Cheaper Amp".
8 ohms = 90Watts to compete with the lower class but bring it down to .5ohms = 1000Watts for about 5 mins before it blows.
I am not positive but that is the rumored information so far? I guess next month we will know for sure what Nissan has decided with the Spec V and it's full list of specifications. I would think that at least 530 horsepower and 200+ pounds of weight removed, with the carbon brakes, new wheels, new suspension etc would be in order to justify a large price increase. Doubling the price of the car? That car better be packing 600+ horsepower, and weigh less than 3300 pounds! perhaps Nissan is milking the LM version for those specs and will be charging Porsche GT2 money for it? That is defeating the entire purpose of the GT-R: Porsche 997 TT performance for $75K. At $140,000+ for a Nissan GT-R "Spec Whatever", it makes no sense to purchase one. That is exotic car money. It would make more sense to simply purchase the stock car, and throw $11K in mods at it like John has done.
Actually our highest trap yet (129.5) came before we put the meth kit on the car. I've been dying to take it off the car but my mechanic insisted on it until we can get to a dyno a properly tune the car. (He wanted to make extra sure we avoided detonation.)
I can assure you, this meth kit IS robbing the car of torque.
did he say what the problem was?
by the way, your car sounds great in the video, what kind of exhaust did you get?
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I'm sure someone will suggest a broken timer as well !!
no, we think the timer was on meth as well
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There will be a GTR in the FIA GT series.
It will make it's debut at the 2009 24H of Spa and compete in the entire 2010 championship.
Unlike the 997RSR, it will race in the GT1 class.
There will be a GTR in the FIA GT series.
It will make it's debut at the 2009 24H of Spa and compete in the entire 2010 championship.
Unlike the 997RSR, it will race in the GT1 class.
GT1 cars dont have to be based on street car chassis. This chassis isnt street chassis racing friendly. Big, heavy etc etc etc.
You wont see the GT-R in anything but prototype classes so Nissan can pump money in and win with a different chassy than what the street cars have. I.E. Super GT (which shares absolutely nothing with the street car) but still have the GT-R winning races.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
There will be a GTR in the FIA GT series.
It will make it's debut at the 2009 24H of Spa and compete in the entire 2010
championship.
Unlike the 997RSR, it will race in the GT1 class.
Nissan avoiding Porsche? .
Not sure why they would be, it is in their best interest to go heads up, since they have nothing to loose except respect, and they have already lost that.
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GT1 cars dont have to be based on street car chassis. This chassis isnt street chassis racing friendly. Big, heavy etc etc etc.
You wont see the GT-R in anything but prototype classes so Nissan can pump money in and win with a different chassy than what the street cars have. I.E. Super GT (which shares absolutely nothing with the street car) but still have the GT-R winning races.
Gotcha. FIA is still weaksauce though. It's all privateer teams. Nissan will probably go guns ablazing with a factory effort so they can say they won outside of Japan.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
There will be some new GT1 rules, but I'm still not sure what they are.
They (Nissan) are supposed to have the car built to the new regs, and will be working with a British team (unknown at this time) to develop the car in 09. There will be two customer cars fro 2010.
Wow, interesting story. Nissan been tweaking their car eh...
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GT1 cars dont have to be based on street car chassis. This chassis isnt street chassis racing friendly. Big, heavy etc etc etc.
You wont see the GT-R in anything but prototype classes so Nissan can pump money in and win with a different chassy than what the street cars have. I.E. Super GT (which shares absolutely nothing with the street car) but still have the GT-R winning races.
Correct! Why would Nissan want to beat 911 GT3's and Ferrari F430's when they could beat a Maserati MC12, Saleen S7, Lamborghini Murciealgo, Corvette Z06, Aston Martin DB9 and Ferrari 550 Marenello instead, and win the overall? Makes perfect sense to me, and looks a lot better from a marketing stand point to be running in the top class and possibly winning.
wow, they beat all those cars?Well, they are heavy, so I guess lighter car can hang.
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No VANDER! NO VANDER!
perhaps Nissan is milking the LM version for those specs and will be charging Porsche GT2 money for it? That is defeating the entire purpose of the GT-R: Porsche 997 TT performance for $75K. At $140,000+ for a Nissan GT-R "Spec Whatever", it makes no sense to purchase one. That is exotic car money. It would make more sense to simply purchase the stock car, and throw $11K in mods at it like John has done.
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