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Chrisn, obviously the GT-R and cayman wouldn't be in the same class. But an SCCA runoffs race is an hour long, there is a chance the GT-R could run out of consumables by the end of the race running full titlt for an hour.
Put a GT-R in a T1 class and let it run with the C5Z's, Ferrari's and Vipers (which I think the vipers have to run at 3700 lbs raceweight too), and it still would have a tough time. It would overheat the tranny and overuse the tires in short order.
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__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Chrisn, obviously the GT-R and cayman wouldn't be in the same class. But an SCCA runoffs race is an hour long, there is a chance the GT-R could run out of consumables by the end of the race running full titlt for an hour.
Put a GT-R in a T1 class and let it run with the C5Z's, Ferrari's and Vipers (which I think the vipers have to run at 3700 lbs raceweight too), and it still would have a tough time. It would overheat the tranny and overuse the tires in short order.
If overdriven, anyone in any car can overheat tires in an hour. I don't think you could cord the tires or scrub through the pads in an hour on a normal road track (unless you were showboat drifting and not trying to drive fast).
In terms of heat/cooling, you need to be careful, as SCCA often allows mods in this area. Touring Class does not mean 100% stock. 996s for example are allowed to add oil and tranny coolers on a "free" basis. Maybe the GT-R would get a similar accommodation.
The Cayman is underpowered purposely by Porsche. I would imagine that the oil injestion is taken care of with the new across the board motors. Give the Cayman the power it deserves, and I'm sure it would hang with anything on the track.
There is a good reason why the Cayman is not raced. Remember how well it placed at the 2007 24 hours of Nurburgring? If you don't remember, a Cayman placed 4th overall (the race was won buy a 997) and I believe 6th. Mysteriously, there were no Caymans in the 2008 race. Why? Porsche did not want the possibility of a Cayman showing up a 997, so they threatened to pull support from anyone who ran a Cayman along with a 997.
If overdriven, anyone in any car can overheat tires in an hour. I don't think you could cord the tires or scrub through the pads in an hour on a normal road track (unless you were showboat drifting and not trying to drive fast).
In terms of heat/cooling, you need to be careful, as SCCA often allows mods in this area. Touring Class does not mean 100% stock. 996s for example are allowed to add oil and tranny coolers on a "free" basis. Maybe the GT-R would get a similar accommodation.
The GT-R runs on relatively narrow tires compared to the Corvette's and Vipers of T1, that has a huge affect on how the tires are used up and how fast. Yes anyone can overdrive and overheat them but obviously it's harder to do on lighter cars with wider tires. And the suspensions are limited in scope so if you cant get enough stiness in the coils, you could easily cord a set of hoosiers.
Yes oil and tranny coolers are allowed, but you'll also have to realize that SCCA is is a driver oriented organization and AWD will be penalized heavily with more weight, possibly even the gearbox too.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
There is a good reason why the Cayman is not raced. Remember how well it placed at the 2007 24 hours of Nurburgring? If you don't remember, a Cayman placed 4th overall (the race was won buy a 997) and I believe 6th. Mysteriously, there were no Caymans in the 2008 race. Why? Porsche did not want the possibility of a Cayman showing up a 997, so they threatened to pull support from anyone who ran a Cayman along with a 997.
525HP engine, many parts taken from 996 race cars, others fabbed from scratch.
Also, all Porsche can do is NOT SUPPORT a race team-- they can't prevent you from buying a Cayman and using (part of) the chasis as the basis for a race car.
The GT-R runs on relatively narrow tires compared to the Corvette's and Vipers of T1, that has a huge affect on how the tires are used up and how fast. Yes anyone can overdrive and overheat them but obviously it's harder to do on lighter cars with wider tires. And the suspensions are limited in scope so if you cant get enough stiness in the coils, you could easily cord a set of hoosiers.
Yes oil and tranny coolers are allowed, but you'll also have to realize that SCCA is is a driver oriented organization and AWD will be penalized heavily with more weight, possibly even the gearbox too.
You could put wider tires on the GT-R. Also, although I'm sure you could find a racing compound that the GT-R would shred in an hour, that would be silly to run. There are many capable tires that would easily hold up.
Why would the AWD and tranny be penalized by a racing organization other than for being inherently better and faster? I assume they are not spiteful.
You could put wider tires on the GT-R. Also, although I'm sure you could find a racing compound that the GT-R would shred in an hour, that would be silly to run. There are many capable tires that would easily hold up.
Why would the AWD and tranny be penalized by a racing organization other than for being inherently better and faster? I assume they are not spiteful.
You can only put wider tires on a car if it is allowed in the rules. Good luck doing that with AWD.
And because, like I said, racing isn't about who can make the race the easiest. It's about determining the best driver/car combination. Besides AWD is only faster in adverse conditions which organizers have to include in their rule making.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Cayman is for girls. they should come only in Pink.
i'm assuming you're joking and you have never driven one... on the streets or a track... because the Cayman S is a great car to drive...
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525HP engine, many parts taken from 996 race cars, others fabbed from scratch.
Also, all Porsche can do is NOT SUPPORT a race team-- they can't prevent you from buying a Cayman and using (part of) the chasis as the basis for a race car.
At least they ran it in a 24 hour race under the same rules as every one else. Nissan is welcome to do the same with the GTR. I believe that is what I said, Porsche would withdraw their support. Obviously the teams have other means of support.
At least they ran it in a 24 hour race under the same rules as every one else. Nissan is welcome to do the same with the GTR. I believe that is what I said, Porsche would withdraw their support. Obviously the teams have other means of support.
Yeah, but it is still a girl's car. j/k
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Wish it would come with a turbo engine tho and maybe AWD. Cool lil car.
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