997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
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The track was moist when DR conducted the review as well as their GT-R had the Bridgestones (7:38 was it?). Nissan's lap was in the summer time using the Dunlops (7:29), that's a believable 9 secs on such a huge track.
I love both the TT and the GT-R and if I was to own one of these great cars it'll be the TT (quality, leather, looks, seating position, heritage, and Porsche simply won't put a function in their cars unless it's 100% safe to use everytime, anytime) , but I don't question Nissan's claims at all.
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Who cares about a few seconds a lap on a road car that most will never drive on the track. All this bickering just so you can brag to people, it’s faster then so and so and cost this much less. The driver has more to do with how fast a car is then anything. This isn’t F1 anyway, it’s the average everyday world!
Electronics can make pro-drivers quicker. Try googling 'torque vectoring' if you are interested, it is fitted to many World Rally Cars as it does improve speed, even in the hands of the World Rally Champions.
Rally driving and circuit driving do not follow the same concept in the least. Try to cross examine benefits from the rally course to the street cicuit is useless, unless we are talking about a drift contest.
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The track was moist when DR conducted the review as well as their GT-R had the Bridgestones (7:38 was it?). Nissan's lap was in the summer time using the Dunlops (7:29), that's a believable 9 secs on such a huge track.
I love both the TT and the GT-R and if I was to own one of these great cars it'll be the TT (quality, leather, looks, seating position, heritage, and Porsche simply won't put a function in their cars unless it's 100% safe to use everytime, anytime) , but I don't question Nissan's claims at all.
BOTH 7:38 and 7:29 runs had the DUNLOP TIRES.
And bridgestones are better in the wet, better than both MPSC and Dunlops, so the GT-R technically had an advantage over the GT2 in the DR test and was suited with the best fit tires for the test.
Chris commented on how the GT-R sturggled with oversteer more than the GT2. I'd bet money the private owner of the GT-R had the most aggressive suspension settings you could get on that car, imagine how bad it would have been if he had on tires that are worse in wet conditions???
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Rally driving and circuit driving do not follow the same concept in the least. Try to cross examine benefits from the rally course to the street cicuit is useless, unless we are talking about a drift contest.
BOTH 7:38 and 7:29 runs had the DUNLOP TIRES.
And bridgestones are better in the wet, better than both MPSC and Dunlops, so the GT-R technically had an advantage over the GT2 in the DR test and was suited with the best fit tires for the test.
Chris commented on how the GT-R sturggled with oversteer more than the GT2. I'd bet money the private owner of the GT-R had the most aggressive suspension settings you could get on that car, imagine how bad it would have been if he had on tires that are worse in wet conditions???
It really does say something when all the magazines test production GT-R's and they lose to the GT2,ZR1,599,ACR,F430 in open testing. On 1.3mile and 4.2mile long tracks they are outpaced by 1-7 seconds but most of the cars they claim to outperform.
example...In the Nov. 2008 car and driver the GT-R ran a 2:55.6 around the virginia international speedway. The ACR Viper pulled a 2:48.6....seven full seconds on a 4.2 mile course!
BTW the GT-R only outpaced a Z51 Corvette by 5.8 seconds around the same track.
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Here is theory:
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.
I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.
Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
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Here is theory:
The 7:29 run, and probably the 7:38 run were in cars that were beyond the Spec-V in power level in order to test durability of the brakes, cooling, transmission, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the 600hp range.
I'll be very curious to see if Nissan makes another claim with the Spec-V and I'll bet future production Spec-V tests at the 'Ring reinforce my theory as well.
Take the weighted statistical average of the GT2 vs. the GT-R. I bet it's quite revealing which is faster.
I hate to get back in this forsaken thread, but I have run against a GT-R and I can absolutely eat its lunch straight or on a track. There is not a single bit of comparison to even discuss.
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I hate to get back in this forsaken thread, but I have run against a GT-R and I can absolutely eat its lunch straight or on a track. There is not a single bit of comparison to even discuss.
I hope your GT2 is faster. You paid 3X for it. What about versus a stock TT?
BTW, how do you know if the GT-R driver was any good at the track?
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And I'm betting that if you ran the GT-R and GT2 all day together at the Ring you would find out why the GT2 cost more than the GT-R. Or the TT for that matter.
I thought he didn't have to be good with all the nannies.
Ha ha.
Still gotta know what buttons to press before you take a nap.
Seriously, the whole "I ran against car XYZ at the track and smoked him" argument is really a non-argument.
Beyond nannies, the GT-R just inspires confidence. Feels so solid and in control. Hard to explain. Maybe, as some have pointed out, that is a bad thing. I don't think so. I think stability, predictability, consistency and confidence are all key factors for going fast.
I said it above, but will repeat: if you gave 100 intermediate track drivers a GT-R and a GT2, and gave them a day in each, I'll bet 90%+ would be faster in the GT-R.
I hope your GT2 is faster. You paid 3X for it. What about versus a stock TT?
BTW, how do you know if the GT-R driver was any good at the track?
I was the driver, and I am positive I'm bad in either scenario. No comment on my payment versus speed. Irrelevant. I've had 4 stock TT's. No comparison in speed of a stock TT to the GT2. The TT and the GR-R are very equal and different. GT2 is a race car for the street.
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I hate to get back in this forsaken thread, but I have run against a GT-R and I can absolutely eat its lunch straight or on a track. There is not a single bit of comparison to even discuss.
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The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.
All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
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The GT-R is very fast to 80mph, but after 100mph it runs out of steam compaired to the other supercars. The MPH in the 1/4 tells you what happens if you see one on the street.
All that being said, I'd buy one if I could get it in the 40-45k range!
Guess I have to wait another 12-18months.
Still quite impressive if you ask me. I'm surprised this thread wasn't closed a long time ago. This may very well be the worst thread ever created and posted in on 6speed.
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