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More concerning is one GTR owner who discovered that the tranny temp peaks are recorded by the computer and scanned by the dealership. He has run 1 track weekend and recorded mutiple strikes into zones 2-4 out of a total 5 zones. The BW guys were seeing temps in the mid to upper 200's as well. Lastly, the upgraded gears are not due to market until March at the earliest, at a cost of $10k.
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Without the graphics and glow - I would love to have that car in my garage.
I parked near a pristine one in Seal Beach the other day, I mean right off the showroom floor looking...very nice. RHD and all. All of the other ones I have seen running around here look a bit beat up but not this one.
More concerning is one GTR owner who discovered that the tranny temp peaks are recorded by the computer and scanned by the dealership. He has run 1 track weekend and recorded mutiple strikes into zones 2-4 out of a total 5 zones. The BW guys were seeing temps in the mid to upper 200's as well. Lastly, the upgraded gears are not due to market until March at the earliest, at a cost of $10k.
This is not news. They give you a print out when you get car serviced. They use the information to decide whether you need to replace tranny fluid. It apparently chemically breaks down quickly when it overheats (Zone 5). You get a warning light well before that.
I have tracked my car 5 or 6 times and only got warning light once (that was in 100 deg heat at high altitude). Never had a temp recorded in Zone 5.
For folks running big mods, tranny coolers are available. Not sure why this is notable.
12 GT-R's, most modded to some extent, some pretty heavily modded, cool weather and a hot shoe or two.
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Not one lap at Steve Millens 1:56.9 closest time was .8 slower with a GT-R with suspension, aero (a big wing), non-stock alignment, and exhaust and someone who can really wheel a car.
(This will bring the fanboys a runnin)
I'll take the bait (I always do).
No test other than same day / same track / same driver will ever tell us anything very useful.
The BW event sounded like a track day (with many novices) with folks who did not know the track. They did lead/follow for a while in the video for God's sake.
I don't know how much seat time Millen has at BW, but I assume a lot more than any of the drivers here. And even so, pros can master a track much faster than the rest of us (that's why they are pros).
It proves nothing. If anything, 0.8 secs slower (big wing or not) is well within the margin of error given potential differences in conditions and general randomness.
No test other than same day / same track / same driver will ever tell us anything very useful.
The BW event sounded like a track day (with many novices) with folks who did not know the track. They did lead/follow for a while in the video for God's sake.
I don't know how much seat time Millen has at BW, but I assume a lot more than any of the drivers here. And even so, pros can master a track much faster than the rest of us (that's why they are pros).
It proves nothing. If anything, 0.8 secs slower (big wing or not) is well within the margin of error given potential differences in conditions and general randomness.
Potential my behind, they drove a nearly perfect so-cal day in december. Not to mention there were plenty of racers there.
You also seemed to have missed the part where Millen was slower in the other cars than average drivers, but he's set this time that not even substantially modded GT-R's on a open track can reach?
You cannot be that gullible.
Gary Sheehan can drive, and so can that gillis guy. All the excuses in the world wont plug the holes in that net.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Without the graphics and glow - I would love to have that car in my garage.
hahaha me too.
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Again let's not let those pesky facts get in the way... Andrew Gillis ran a 1:57.7 lap time on the factory Dunlop tires. That car had:
"My car has no power mods beyond the Amuse exhaust. I am still running four high flow cats so the car will still pass California smog. I have the front factory downpipes with primary cats, and the Amuse midpipe with secondary high flow cats. Only other change to the car was the Amuse sleeve/spring kit, AP rotors, and Carbotech brake pads."
No Aero/Wing or ecu mods..
So Steve Millen, on another day, with way more seat time in the GT-R, and not caring if he balled up the car, went 8 tenths of a second quicker. How is that NOT PLAUSIBLE?
Again let's not let those pesky facts get in the way... Andrew Gillis ran a 1:57.7 lap time on the factory Dunlop tires. That car had:
"My car has no power mods beyond the Amuse exhaust. I am still running four high flow cats so the car will still pass California smog. I have the front factory downpipes with primary cats, and the Amuse midpipe with secondary high flow cats. Only other change to the car was the Amuse sleeve/spring kit, AP rotors, and Carbotech brake pads."
No Aero/Wing or ecu mods..
So Steve Millen, on another day, with way more seat time in the GT-R, and not caring if he balled up the car, went 8 tenths of a second quicker. How is that NOT PLAUSIBLE?
Again let's not let those pesky facts get in the way... Andrew Gillis ran a 1:57.7 lap time on the factory Dunlop tires. That car had:
"My car has no power mods beyond the Amuse exhaust. I am still running four high flow cats so the car will still pass California smog. I have the front factory downpipes with primary cats, and the Amuse midpipe with secondary high flow cats. Only other change to the car was the Amuse sleeve/spring kit, AP rotors, and Carbotech brake pads."
No Aero/Wing or ecu mods..
So Steve Millen, on another day, with way more seat time in the GT-R, and not caring if he balled up the car, went 8 tenths of a second quicker. How is that NOT PLAUSIBLE?
That was Neoseven was it not, he seems to have left out a couple of mods as evident in post 337
I think the upgraded aero on Big Bird, Neos, and My car helps, no doubt in my mind. With the new settings we were using and having the wing lock down after a certain speed I can tell the car is much faster. In some of the video you can see my car pulling away once it got up to speed.
He also left out the brake cooling, which means he could have left out that he took all the bare essentials out of the car which isnt done in magazine tests, at least not for all the cars.
So, he had:
Better Brake Pads
SOME form of aero mods
Suspension work with much greater than stock camber levels
And a partial exhaust which has been found to increase hp by 15-20 hp
THAT IS NOT STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes the facts are in your way..............
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
This look like no aero mods to you?????? I'll give you a hint, look at the front of the car and the back!!!!!
Amuse R1 Adjusting Suspension Kit
Amuse Dry Carbon Rear Wing
Amuse Front Under Diffuser
Amuse R1 Titan Extra STTI Cat Back Exhaust
Amuse R1 Titan Sports CAT RS STTI
Synapse Engineering BOV's
OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
See Evo and Car magazine for details.
Last edited by heavychevy; 01-08-2009 at 08:02 AM.
Oh and lookie there, blow off valves, which I'm assuming are external as opposed to internal ones like stock. That is AT LEAST a powerband mod. If not adding power
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Galactose/Z07 getting his daily dose of smackdown.
Chrisn,
in regards to the tranny temp recorder - if Nissan spent the money to include such data acquisition, why did they not spend a couple of dimes to spec a factory tranny cooler that could prevent the 280F temps? Jmunjr got high hits even without track time.
Spec V rear seating delete:
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Andrew Gillis ran a 1:57.7 lap time on the factory Dunlop tires. That car had:
Linear Mode
