997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.

[j.a.cadet]

Originally Posted by heavychevy Oh boy, not that again. The 996 GT3 wasnt any faster than a 997 GT3. And the cayman was running stock power and would have beat it too had it not hit a deer on the road. oh my mistake, for some reason i believed the Hennessey viper was a modified viper, which made me speculate that the other cars could have been modified as well. i stand corrected.

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[Prche951]

Originally Posted by j.a.cadet

^were they all stock? cause that was the issue at hand...

well we already know the GTR is modded

Also, these days you can get a 996tt with full mods putting out 600 hp and be under the sticker price of a GTR. that's called a no brainer.

[j.a.cadet]

Originally Posted by Prche951

well we already know the GTR is modded

Also, these days you can get a 996tt with full mods putting out 600 hp and be under the sticker price of a GTR. that's called a no brainer.

who cares about price? i just asked a simple question if they had mods or not, not what you could buy these days...

[Prche951]

Originally Posted by j.a.cadet

who cares about price? i just asked a simple question if they had mods or not, not what you could buy these days...

you have something meaningful to say???? NO? well surprise surprise??

like this WET SKIDPAD--oops loose again...

One Lap of America^TM
presented by Car and Driver Magazine

Event 1 - Tire Rack - Wet Skid Pad

Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Wet Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points
1 5 Porsche Cayman GTR SSGT1 SB 0.921 G 360 Donald Barnes, Leh Keen
2 39 BMW E46 M3 SSGT1 SB 0.918 G 355 Catesby Jones,
3 51 VW GTI SSGT2 SB 0.911 G 350 Bill Unwin, Reg Noble
4 11 Dodge Challenger SRT- SSGT2 BB 0.907 G 345 Kowalski, Super Soul
5 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo SSGT1 BB 0.902 G 340 Mark DaVia, Drew Wikstrom
6 10 Porsche 911 GT3 SSGT1 BB 0.897 G 335 Chuck Veth, Adam Strelczuk
7 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 0.886 G 330 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp
8 34 BMW 135i SSGT2 SB 0.885 G 325 Victor Hall, Alex May, James Clay
9 100 Nissan GT-R SSGT1 BB 0.882 G 320 Tony Swan, Mary Seelhorst

[USCCayman]

This may be a little off subject and maybe not. Also probably a question for "our leader", HC. I was over on the Rennlist website reading what they had to say about the Porsche accusation. One poster brought up an interesting point I don't think I have read before. He indicated that in all the magazine articles in which the GTR has been compared to the 997TT, he did not think any of the TT's had the optional limited slip differential, which he speculated might make quite a difference in the TT track times. A second poster concurred with him that none of the TTs used in the comparisons had the LSD. I know this is a sore topic with Cayman owners like me, who don't even have it as an option. Any opinions on whether LSD would help? I apologize if this has already been discussed elsewhere.

[j.a.cadet]

Originally Posted by Prche951

you have something meaningful to say???? NO? well surprise surprise??

like this WET SKIDPAD--oops loose again...

actually i dont. like i mentioned before i just asked a simple question, whether or not the cars were modified. you can throw as many question marks, quotes, and bolded text at me as you want... as if i was here to defend the GTR.

[Prche951]

Boy your memory is about 5 posts short. Is this not you? did he not answer your question? can you not research things for yourself? your 18 and you do not know how to use a computer?

Originally Posted by j.a.cadet

oh my mistake, for some reason i believed the Hennessey viper was a modified viper, which made me speculate that the other cars could have been modified as well. i stand corrected.

Now, I will answer your question as to what I know. I think the Viper was modded and I think that the winning 996TT had a tune and exhaust. Which is what the "ringer" brings to the table these days.

you reading the facts that I post about actual owners competing against each other?

2008 Tire Rack
Cannonball
One Lap of America^TM
presented by Car and Driver Magazine

Event 20 - Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad

Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points 1 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 1.095 G 360 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp


2 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette 3 2 Dodge Hennessey Viper


4 4 Mongoose GTP


5 27 WCM Ultralite S2K 6 22 Porsche GT3


7 18 Porsche GT-3


8 9 Porsche 996TT


9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06


10 10 Porsche 911 GT3


11 8 Ford GT


12 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo


13 39 BMW E46 M3


14 53 Mazda Miata


15 67 Toyota Yaris LB


16 20 Chevrolet Corvette Z06


17 24 Dodge Viper SRT/10


18 58 Volkswagen Jetta GLI


19 15 Dodge SRT-4


20 61 Honda Odyssey


21 11 Dodge Challenger SRT-


22 35 Ford Mustang GT


23 100 Nissan GT-R

[j.a.cadet]

Originally Posted by Prche951

Boy your memory is about 5 posts short. Is this not you? did he not answer your question? can you not research things for yourself? your 18 and you do not know how to use a computer?

Now, I will answer your question as to what I know. I think the Viper was modded and I think that the winning 996TT had a tune and exhaust. Which is what the "ringer" brings to the table these days.

you reading the facts that I post about actual owners competing against each other?

2008 Tire Rack
Cannonball
One Lap of America^TM
presented by Car and Driver Magazine

Event 20 - Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad

Sat May 10 11:06:41 2008Tire Rack - Dry Skid Pad - Results sorted by position Page 1Pos Car # Vehicle Class Gs Points 1 3 Mongoose GTP SSGT1 BB 1.095 G 360 Jeremy Herzberg, Danny Popp


2 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette 3 2 Dodge Hennessey Viper


4 4 Mongoose GTP


5 27 WCM Ultralite S2K 6 22 Porsche GT3


7 18 Porsche GT-3


8 9 Porsche 996TT


9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06


10 10 Porsche 911 GT3


11 8 Ford GT


12 1 Porsche 996 Twin Turbo


13 39 BMW E46 M3


14 53 Mazda Miata


15 67 Toyota Yaris LB


16 20 Chevrolet Corvette Z06


17 24 Dodge Viper SRT/10


18 58 Volkswagen Jetta GLI


19 15 Dodge SRT-4


20 61 Honda Odyssey


21 11 Dodge Challenger SRT-


22 35 Ford Mustang GT


23 100 Nissan GT-R

yeah that was me, Sir, i appreciate you attempting to check out my memory. he did answer my question and like you pointed out, i said i stood corrected. when did research, age, and computer skills come into this?

you brought up something about 996TTs and prices. i said who cares about prices i just asked a question. then you threw time tables at me asking if i had something meaningful say. i said no, i just asked a question, and to stop throwing time tables at me as if i was defending the GTR. Now your throwing more graphs at me as if you are trying to make a point. when will this end?

[Prche951]

Originally Posted by j.a.cadet

yeah that was me, Sir, i appreciate you attempting to check out my memory. he did answer my question and like you pointed out, i said i stood corrected. when did research, age, and computer skills come into this?

you brought up something about 996TTs and prices. i said who cares about prices i just asked a question. then you threw time tables at me asking if i had something meaningful say. i said no, i just asked a question, and to stop throwing time tables at me as if i was defending the GTR. Now your throwing more graphs at me as if you are trying to make a point. when will this end?

NEVER!!!! you see this is a porsche forum and when the GTR fanboy crowd brings up the GTR in here we have to rub their noses a bit. I understand you are not defending the GTR and no issue there. Just sounded a bit like you were.

but to answer your question, yes, I do think we need to throw data at them. The funny thing is that GTR owners are already bitching about their own cars and how the trannies have to be replaced and they have trouble with them and 7k brake jobs etc. They need no help from us...

[j.a.cadet]

Originally Posted by Prche951

NEVER!!!! you see this is a porsche forum and when the GTR fanboy crowd brings up the GTR in here we have to rub their noses a bit. I understand you are not defending the GTR and no issue there. Just sounded a bit like you were.

but to answer your question, yes, I do think we need to throw data at them. The funny thing is that GTR owners are already bitching about their own cars and how the trannies have to be replaced and they have trouble with them and 7k brake jobs etc. They need no help from us...

as a car fanatic, i love the GTR. personally i think if you are a true car fanatic you gotta at least respect it. i mean the engineering behind it is amazing. But at the end of the day we can all agree, a porsche is a porsche and a nissan is a nissan. Although they may have similar numbers here and there, i still consider the GT3, turbo, and GT2 in different league.

personally if i could i would have all 4 lol.

[oak]

you guys still on this crap? six pages. oh the agony..

[TT Surgeon]

Saw on their board where the trannies are falling apart right and left, and they void your warranty. Real nice nissan.

[PRS29]

Originally Posted by USCCayman

This may be a little off subject and maybe not. Also probably a question for "our leader", HC. I was over on the Rennlist website reading what they had to say about the Porsche accusation. One poster brought up an interesting point I don't think I have read before. He indicated that in all the magazine articles in which the GTR has been compared to the 997TT, he did not think any of the TT's had the optional limited slip differential, which he speculated might make quite a difference in the TT track times. A second poster concurred with him that none of the TTs used in the comparisons had the LSD. I know this is a sore topic with Cayman owners like me, who don't even have it as an option. Any opinions on whether LSD would help? I apologize if this has already been discussed elsewhere.

It is a good point. I wonder why then, Porsche Turbo owners for the most part didn't choose that option (Axle-Lock Differential). Can anyone here answer that?

As for the LSD on the Cayman, the new 320bhp Cayman S (with the DFI engine), will in fact have the option of LSD. Maybe you should look into changing your car soon.

[USCCayman]

Originally Posted by PRS29

It is a good point. I wonder why then, Porsche Turbo owners for the most part didn't choose that option (Axle-Lock Differential). Can anyone here answer that?

As for the LSD on the Cayman, the new 320bhp Cayman S (with the DFI engine), will in fact have the option of LSD. Maybe you should look into changing your car soon.

Actually, I am going to keep it, add aftermarket LSD and TPC turbo good for 480 hp. Oh, and make the necessary suspension tweaks.

[eclou]

Now Nissan is begging Porsche to retract their statement:

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...ID=#Post480926

And GT-R owners are starting a class action lawsuit over the tranny issue:

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....dpost&p=361917