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I think that gives me the right to say that the GTR is an amazing car, even more so for the price.
I wonder how amazing it is for you when your transmission rips apart, of course if you live in the UK you wouldn't have to worry much about the warranty, there isn't a warranty is there?. It is a risk you take which some of those GTR owners wouldn't want to left to chance. Now, it doesn't really matter does it? the car is falling apart (possibly due to the fact that Nissan pushed it more than it could take) and now they slapped everyone in the face by stating everyone's warranty is void because the car designed to be launch is not suppose to be launched. To make matters worse, Nissan have just suspended the GTR production, what does that tell you?
Guy, am no way trying to offend you but you have to agree with me that Nissan is being fishy here, launch control, warranty void, transmission problems, and the list continues, I certainly should be worried if I have one of these...
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Thats just about the most ignorant post I've seen on the Subject. I asume you must be a troll, as no-one could be so ill-informed in reality!
The GTR does have a lot of history from 1969 and many many race victories and was so successful it was banned from Australian Touring Car racing. Of course since the car was never in the US you probably never noticed that.
The counter to your argument of 'one video' is that with whole internet world is now obssessed with the 'one gearbox failure' that you use to define the whole car and company. The fact that my 996 GT2 gearbox blew-up and needed completely replacing at a cost of over $20k under warranty presumably also renders Porsche a fake producer of crap cars.
I have owned R32, R33 and R34 GTRs and have an R35 on order and have driven it on Silverstone GP track. I also own/owned 993RS/ 996GT2 (with Ruf 630bhp) and 997 GT2. I think that gives me the right to say that the GTR is an amazing car, even more so for the price.
The GeekTR SUCKS!
Rule #1 Never compare datsun to Porsche unless you wanna try impressing your mates at GTR UK
Ferrari, Porsche & Lamborghini have something in common, guess what ? Supercar!
Does Nissan even know what a reliable car means to make a long jump and call the ugliest GTR a supercar ?
It doesn't matter if you had an R30 or an R34, they all have issues, R32,33,34 all had to be dropped at abbey motors for a complete tune up, now isn't that sad ? trying to pull yourselves outta 280hp and going up into the high 900's
The history which you're not man enough to mention is this:
R32,33,34: had a weak engine that wouldn't even hold boost past 1.2bar for very long.
Do I have to remind you of the oil pump ?
5-spd gearbox failure ? successor GR6 ?
Weak drive shaft ?
Front Diff failure if launched at 8,000rpm couple of times ?
Junky interior ? 10yrs till they got it right on the 34
The list is tooooooooo long and boring, and now that it has landed on the American soil, everyone soon enough will start to realize that Nissan is indeed based on a junk truck that was never meant to stay in one piece.
Do you still miss your Nissan UK mates that were always stuck in the same sh*t box ?
Toyota Corolla > Nissan GTR (resale value - DISASTER by 2010)
In Japan, they're selling it for what ? 10million JPY ? resale value in less than a year approx 6million JPY
Guy you're right I am ignorant about all the GTRs I dont hang out at the drifting forums.
And there is no real racing history.
But I am not as ignorant as all the fanboise that came into our forums to rant before they had even paid off their Sentras.
And even MORE ignorant is a Guy who has a RUF comparing a Sentra to a PORSCHE?
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Guy you're right I am ignorant about all the GTRs I dont hang out at the drifting forums.
And there is no real racing history.
But I am not as ignorant as all the fanboise that came into our forums to rant before they had even paid off their Sentras.
And even MORE ignorant is a Guy who has a RUF comparing a Sentra to a PORSCHE?
Money doesn't buy wisdom, especially when it comes to cars. The ability to purchase a Porsche doesn't correlate to the ability to participate in a debate on an internet forum. And for the record the amount of GTR fanboys here is easily matched by the amount of Porsche fanboys, as it should be considering this is a Porsche heavy forum.
Glad I see guys with temp tags tracking Porsches like their's no tommrrow and having no problems whatsoever.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
I swear, this must be a linked quote on a fanboy site, because it's the same introduction for EVERY noob fanboy. Almost to the tee, the same words and all.
And you guys wonder why this thread is a joke? Because we have 20 more non Porsche enthusiasts here trying to argue a bunch of nothing, and thus comes the bickering. Do you think there would be bickering without the fanboys?
For the record, my fanboy allegiences are to Subaru. I could care less whether the GTR or the TT is faster around a track, I'll never own either. I am capable however of sifting through the endless amounts of biased, name calling garbage (your posts included) to see that the majority of the independant comparisons between these two cars show the GTR in a positive light.
What's most shocking to me, and most other "noob fanboys" I would assume, is how deeply affected Porsche loyalists like yourself are by these kinds of threads. As if a thread like this aims to vindicate all Porsche owners and justify their purchase by citing once and for all we win!!!
If I owned a TT, I'd like to think that I would enjoy my car for what it is and not feel threatened by every next great car that comes around. It's like the bully that picks a fight with everyone because deep down he knows he's a loser. You drive a Porsche, even after another car is faster, yours is still a Porsche. Who cares about anything else?
For the record, my fanboy allegiences are to Subaru. I could care less whether the GTR or the TT is faster around a track, I'll never own either. I am capable however of sifting through the endless amounts of biased, name calling garbage (your posts included) to see that the majority of the independant comparisons between these two cars show the GTR in a positive light.
What's most shocking to me, and most other "noob fanboys" I would assume, is how deeply affected Porsche loyalists like yourself are by these kinds of threads. As if a thread like this aims to vindicate all Porsche owners and justify their purchase by citing once and for all we win!!!
If I owned a TT, I'd like to think that I would enjoy my car for what it is and not feel threatened by every next great car that comes around. It's like the bully that picks a fight with everyone because deep down he knows he's a loser. You drive a Porsche, even after another car is faster, yours is still a Porsche. Who cares about anything else?
Yeah, you may not be a true GT-R fanboy, but you carry that same inferiority complex that makes you assume that people here are elitists and react based on that alone. But little do you know that many of us have come from the Evo's and M3's and STI's, Supras, etc. Not all, but many.
I'm deeply affect because I'm a true automobile enthusiast, I love all types of cars. I hate the GT-R because of Nissan's underhanded advertising, and their lies and the media that propagates those lies. Never has their been a car that has so much lying and controversy surrounding it as Nissan. Past and Present. And the not so smart fanboys run around proclaiming things they have no clue about. Well now they are getting what they deserve, proof that Nissan has been lying and using the media to spread the lies. I drove a 997 TT today and certainly wouldnt have a problem waisting the vast majority of GT-R owners in one.
Is a test that brings a GT-R owner with his car to the track independant? Is a test that uses a Nissan test driver, shop owner, and intertwined with Nissan PR man independant? A test where the yearly driver lineup is suddenly changed to suit the GT-R, how about that? Sorry, but if all you can see is mag results, jump back in line with the rest of the fanboys and enjoy your best motoring videos.
BTW Evo> Sti.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
Thats just about the most ignorant post I've seen on the Subject. I asume you must be a troll, as no-one could be so ill-informed in reality!
The GTR does have a lot of history from 1969 and many many race victories and was so successful it was banned from Australian Touring Car racing. Of course since the car was never in the US you probably never noticed that.
The counter to your argument of 'one video' is that with whole internet world is now obssessed with the 'one gearbox failure' that you use to define the whole car and company. The fact that my 996 GT2 gearbox blew-up and needed completely replacing at a cost of over $20k under warranty presumably also renders Porsche a fake producer of crap cars.
I have owned R32, R33 and R34 GTRs and have an R35 on order and have driven it on Silverstone GP track. I also own/owned 993RS/ 996GT2 (with Ruf 630bhp) and 997 GT2. I think that gives me the right to say that the GTR is an amazing car, even more so for the price.
How is someone who is defending porsches on a porsche forum a troll? don't be so gormless
Aside from SCCA the only history is in Japan and maybe Oz, but that isn't saying much at all, especially in Oz. That's one step above saying that the car was banned in Chile. Datsuns entered Lemans with poor results. They have no real big race record outside of Japan. Their endurance racing record is abysmal at best. The 510 was a nice little car and I remember it well. But there were no astounding results from Datsun.
The earlier GTR's were at least lighter, but with the weight I can see how there are tranny problems now.
You GT2 gearbox means nothing. you blew a gearbox. That is not the same as blowing a clutch which is more likely. At least a porsche clutch doesn't cost you 20k like it does in the GTR.
The link that someone reference and from which I took 4 quotes, shows for different owners of GTR's complaning about serious tranny issues. I think as owners of the GTR they outnumber your experience 4 to 1 and if I read the whole thread I am sure I could fine some more owners. But if there are as few GTR's as there seems to be here in the US, the ones that cmplained must be the total number of GTR owners.
Like the other guy said, post about the GTR in the Camaro forum as you have no real record to even be in the Vette forum.
It's easy to make a fast car. It's a whole other thing to make it reliable and fast
Glad I see guys with temp tags tracking Porsches like their's no tommrrow and having no problems whatsoever.
I just can't get enough of this! I still believe that the Nissan engineers could not bring themselves to tell upper management that they had failed and missed their target by a mile, which would bring terrible disgrace upon themselves. Instead, they faked a "stock" GTR turning a 7:29 at the 'ring, and a 3.3 sec 0 to 60 which in reality can't be done without voiding the warranty. In some asian cultures, it is better to say "yes", and continue to say "yes" even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, than admit you have failed.
The Nagtroc thread has ~ 120k views now, and is linked to almost every major autoblog/forum out there. Let's face it, the car's (and maker's) reputation is done. Nissan was hoping to be the center of attention for sure, but unfortunately it has turned into a big bukkake scene for them (and I'm not talking about egg on their face!)
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I just can't get enough of this! I still believe that the Nissan engineers could not bring themselves to tell upper management that they had failed and missed their target by a mile, which would bring terrible disgrace upon themselves. Instead, they faked a "stock" GTR turning a 7:29 at the 'ring, and a 3.3 sec 0 to 60 which in reality can't be done without voiding the warranty. In some asian cultures, it is better to say "yes", and continue to say "yes" even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary, than admit you have failed.
here are some more memorable quotes from HC's link:
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I am a new owner of the GT-R, and yet another victim of this problem. Just got a call from my dealership telling me the warranty is voided. Needless to say, the dealer told me how to activate the launch sequence, and NEVER warned me about warranty voids. I did ask him how many times I could use it, and how to use it. The only warning I received was that I should not have used it 10 times in a row. If I am supposed to know the manual, so does he, especially since he's the owner's son, and it's a big dealership. The car has 900 miles on it. I also own a Ferrari 599, 430, and Scuderia. All of them have euro specs, and all of them have launch control. I launched all of them several times, and I still run on the same clutches. Ferrari warned me correctly about not abusing LC, and about having to change the clutch prematurely (Which is 1/4 of a Nissan transmission anyway). This sound to me like a Joke, and a buch of clowns that sold a fauly, weak product, and saved their day by putting a little note somewhere. In this day, and age, who reads a manual anyway. The dealer explaining how to launch the car is by itself wrong, especially since supposedly he knows it will void the Warranty. I have VERY good friends at Ferrari, in Italy, high level engineers, and test pilots who are having a blast at this. This is really bad for Nissan's image, and very unprofessional. They sold me a crippled product, and they think they can get away with fine prints.
We're in the process of starting a class action involving a high level Lawyer, who deal a lot with car problems. We think we have very good ground for taking action against Nissan. Anybody interested in joining this process, please email me.
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Just trying to point out that I drive all my cars hard, really hard. Ferraris even harder than the GT-R. I put at least 50k miles a year on the Ferraris. I know how to drive them, and I buy performance cars to use them, not leave them in the garage, or drive them like babies. A performance car must perform for a reasonable amount of miles. I will not get pissed off when I have to change the clutch, not the brakes. I do not expect a performance car to fall to pieces after 900 miles!!! Nissan is 1/2 the price of a 430, yet you cannot justify a crappy transmission being sold with the car. If you do, then sell it for what it is, a crippled car, in which case I would not have bought it. I was royally swindled by a million reviews and TV programs, none of which mentioned transmission voids, nor transmissions falling apart. I want my cars to perform as they are supposed to. Ever heard of Ferrari voiding your warranty because you turned CST off (Not LC)??? It's pathetic of Nissan to do this, and very convenient, and I deeply regret buying this piece of junk. Even if they fix the transmission, I will not keep it. What's the point of having a handicapped car?
I was excited about this car, and coming from high performance cars, I was also rooting for this thing. Now I am a disgruntled customer who regrets this, and I
will do everything I can to expose the car as it deserves. People should not buy it, as it cannot be used as advertised. Nissan is trying to scam us for their clear shortcomings. If you cannot build high performance cars, then do not sell them as such, or bouild them properlly, and sell them at the price tag they deserve. On top of that, train your dealers not to encourage take offs. Had the dealer told me about it, I would have not purchased the car.
The Nagtroc thread has ~ 120k views now, and is linked to almost every major autoblog/forum out there. Let's face it, the car's (and maker's) reputation is done. Nissan was hoping to be the center of attention for sure, but unfortunately it has turned into a big bukkake scene for them (and I'm not talking about egg on their face!)
I am wondering though, if the magazines that hyped this car so much are now going to eat crow and report the myriad problems this car is now experiencing. Indirectly, they now have egg on their respective faces (or covers, I guess).
unless you wanna try impressing your mates at GTR UK 
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