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I have the new GT-R.. i actually had one of the first ones in the country.. The car is in my garage with a blown tranny. I might have been one of the first with this issue. My lawyer is in the process of nailing NISSAN to a post.
Welcome to the thread to end all threads.
What was your LC / VDC Off count? How many miles on car when you had the issue?
-Chris
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'07 997TT EVOMS EVT-700
'09 Nissan GT-R (Sold back under Lemon Law)
'06 BMW M5 (E60)
'06 Civic Hybrid
'08 Acura MDX
car mileage was around 1300.. i had the cars vdc off at a track (NOT TIMED) ten minutes tops.. their reason is they say i am not a qualified driver.. So my lawyer is going to make it a "Who is qualified" arguement and what makes me un qualified.
Also in Japan when i was with nissan last year we launched a car over 30 times... No problem.. i really think there is something fishy with the tranny.
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Wow 95 pages...well done lol....This car is very polorizing...Every forum Ive been on seems to have marathon threads dedicated to it....
What kills me with the GTR is that there are rwd cars out that have equaled its 0-60 mph times...FGT, Viper, ZR1 etc...Yes they arent as repeatable as the GTR awd allows and they are more expensive but they can be beat on repeatedly without voiding warranty....One tranny failure due to LC and you are in Viper/ZR1 territory moneywise 0-60 is nice stat but LC should have been canned as they obviously knew it was detrimental to the tranny. The car is a canyon carver so not having LC would not have affected its roadcourse prowess imho....
Love the GTR but hate the hype and appearance of impropriety by Nissan as regards LC and the Ring times etc....Thing is that if Nissan reigned in the weight of the car a less sophisticated awd system would have been more than enough to duplicate those 0-60 times without compromizing reliability...Im no engineer obviously but less weight is always a plus for performance and reliability...That being said I would love to have a used one[with zero LC usage..pipe dream lol] in white after Nissan addresses these issues...
car mileage was around 1300.. i had the cars vdc off at a track (NOT TIMED) ten minutes tops.. their reason is they say i am not a qualified driver.. So my lawyer is going to make it a "Who is qualified" arguement and what makes me un qualified.
Also in Japan when i was with nissan last year we launched a car over 30 times... No problem.. i really think there is something fishy with the tranny.
Not a qualified driver? Meaning unqualified to drive on a track? Unless you dont have a liscense, or insurance, which I beleive is mandatory before you drive off the lot, I dont get how this makes sense.
Sounds like they are finding any way possible not to anti up.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
car mileage was around 1300.. i had the cars vdc off at a track (NOT TIMED) ten minutes tops.. their reason is they say i am not a qualified driver.. So my lawyer is going to make it a "Who is qualified" arguement and what makes me un qualified.
Also in Japan when i was with nissan last year we launched a car over 30 times... No problem.. i really think there is something fishy with the tranny.
Interesting. Did you do the 1000 mile POS inspection before tracking it? I have never heard the "not qualified" argument-- and I don't see reference to that in the warranty, so you may be in good shape legally.
When you say "track" do you mean drag strip or road course?
Do you have a warranty rejection letter from Anna N. at Nissan North America? Would be interesting to see what they put in writing.
What you describe (turning VDC off one time only) would be considered "one" event and should not be considered abuse. Now if you did 10 minutes of continuous LC's perhaps that's a different matter, but it sounds like they track VDC-off events and NOT actual LCs.
Good luck
-Chris
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'07 997TT EVOMS EVT-700
'09 Nissan GT-R (Sold back under Lemon Law)
'06 BMW M5 (E60)
'06 Civic Hybrid
'08 Acura MDX
Hmmm... Too many people will be watching and possibly wanting to check out the car this time? Are we supposed to believe in the "no budget" constraint?
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^^^Also check out the $19,000 after-market exhaust. I think these guys are gouging the gullible customers looking for a cheap solution. And a mid 3 second 0-60 time.
>>>>>>>>>> Passing Gas for $19,000
We can almost comprehend why the handling upgrade costs more than $22,000. We can even hazard a guess as to why those specially designed Recaro seats with unique seat rails and hand-operated reclining function cost around $19,000. But we couldn't help but scratch our heads at the $19,000 price tag for the titanium exhaust system.
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They are basically asking for donations to help pay for the upcoming lawsuits and mass recalls. Meanwhile according to the WSJ Porsche has silently acquired 74% of VW and has turned at least a $10 billion profit for the year.
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Passing Gas for $19,000
We can almost comprehend why the handling upgrade costs more than $22,000. We can even hazard a guess as to why those specially designed Recaro seats with unique seat rails and hand-operated reclining function cost around $19,000. But we couldn't help but scratch our heads at the $19,000 price tag for the titanium exhaust system.
Those Nismo prices are retarded. Lots of cats/exhausts for ~$5K now, and cheaper ones coming.
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'07 997TT EVOMS EVT-700
'09 Nissan GT-R (Sold back under Lemon Law)
'06 BMW M5 (E60)
'06 Civic Hybrid
'08 Acura MDX
YES, HEAVYCHEVY HATES THE GT-R. I dislike it more than any car I can ever say I've disliked before. The STI is ugly, but I dont mind it. Never once have I tried to play a neutral party, there is nothing inconsistent about it.
I hate nissans advertising with the 997 TT
I hate their lying about ring times
I hate their deceptions about LC
I hate the mags who have rigged mag tests
I hate the clueless fanboy drivel (#1)
I hate the PS3 on the dashboard
I hate the interior
There, it's all out now, as if I needed to say it. I dont hate everything about the GT-R, in fact most of the stuff I hate doesnt actually have anything to do with the actual car. I think it's a great looking car with a nice set of wheels. But I dont like that it contradicts everything a true driving enthusiast is looking for. The relationship between car and driver, not car and nannies. In fact if you turn off all the computers and drive, your warranty is void.
I also dont like that people cant see what makes the car fast, and it's not all the gadgets. If everyone designed their car where the tires only needed to get 5k miles, I suspect that the combo of suspension setup changes and different tires would shuffle the GT-R well back in the order.
Lol,now am starting to thinking that you actually really like the GTR (Secretly) but your in denial.
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Yesterday I was in Barnes & Noble, and saw the latest issue of EVO magazine. In the issue, they test five or six supercars at the 'ring, trying to set a new production car lap record there. They selected the new Maserati supercar, a Konnigsegg (sp?), a Carrera GT, an Enzo, and one or two others, but no GTR. They had high hopes for the Carrera GT being the fastest because it was pulling the highest G's in a turn. Turns out the Carrera GT was not the fastest but not the slowest either. They did get the Carrera GT at 7:28, though, which I thought was interesting because that now makes it a second faster than Nissan's time for the GTR at the 'ring. And, this was by someone other than a Porsche ace.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
No, I believe the fastest car of the bunch ran a 7:24. So I guess the ACR is not yet toppled. I did not purchase the EVO but now I wish I had. It is now on the newsstands however. One of the cars was tubocharged with about 900hp I think, but I don't believe it was the fastest. Perhaps it had something to do with that saying, "Power without grip". I just thought it was interesting that they ran the Carrera faster than Rohl did. But, I guess it just goes to show how much conditions on different days can change things. Traffic, or lack of, may have played a part also.
>>>>>>>>>> Passing Gas for $19,000
We can almost comprehend why the handling upgrade costs more than $22,000. We can even hazard a guess as to why those specially designed Recaro seats with unique seat rails and hand-operated reclining function cost around $19,000. But we couldn't help but scratch our heads at the $19,000 price tag for the titanium exhaust system.
0-60 is nice stat but LC should have been canned as they obviously knew it was detrimental to the tranny. The car is a canyon carver so not having LC would not have affected its roadcourse prowess imho....
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