997 TT beats GT-R at Ring. Nissan accused of cheating.
997 Turbo / GT22004–present Turbo discussion on the current model Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. Sponsored By SharkWerks, Inc
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LOL, so I guess Porsche is that much more developed than the likes of Ferrari that they can take a rear engine and run circles around a mid engine? While still having a worse weight/power ratio?
Someone at some point did design a clean sheet racing car with a rear engine, and to this day it's still kicking front and mid engine cars around in racing. Sometimes doing something different actually works because it fits the intended purpose. This is one of them.
The results speak for themselves.
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__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
You mean like the car you've been attempting to discredit for the last year? I thought power-to-weight ratio was the be-all-and-end-all of lap times?
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Someone at some point did design a clean sheet racing car with a rear engine, and to this day it's still kicking front and mid engine cars around in racing. Sometimes doing something different actually works because it fits the intended purpose. This is one of them.
The results speak for themselves.
The results speak for themselves despite the compromised layout, not because of it.
You mean like the car you've been attempting to discredit for the last year? I thought power-to-weight ratio was the be-all-and-end-all of lap times?
The results speak for themselves despite the compromised layout, not because of it.
The weight to power difference is .1-.2 which at 2300 and 2500 lbs is about 30-40 lbs. Not 300 and 700 lbs. Nice try though einstein.
The 911 has been winning long enough for much of it's success to be due to it actually being rear engine. And there are abilities of the platform that arent available in others. While the disadvantages of the platform can be corrected through engineering, the advantages arent so readily duplicated.
Doesnt quite sound like "despite of" to me.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
I think it is pretty clear that in the hands of a seasoned 911 pilot, the rear engine placement offers characteristics that can be exploited to advantage that are not present in front and mid-engined cars. This is the reason the car is so succesful in racing. 99% of us will never develop our skills to that extent (I wish I had the time and resources to do so). That is why the GTR appears to be the faster of the two. It is easier for most of us to drive at or near the limits in then GTR. In the hands of the lucky 1% (HC, for example,), I'm betting the 911TT is faster than the GTR around the ring. I love my Cayman S because it makes me look like I'm better than I am because it is so easy to drive fast and very forgiving. With the right horsepower, the Cayman would be a formidable in house opponent to the Turbo.
Yes, they could put the engine somewhere more sensible.
Of course they are - just fill the boot/trunk with bags of cement.
You say traction as if it's not the fundamental base of racing. Everything begins and ends with it. And dont you mean RE, not RWD?
More sensible? HAHAHA, that's a joke right? There are too many trophy's credited to Porsche in racing that make your stupid statement even stupider.
Bags of cement will move around, and no one will allow enough ballast to make as much difference as RE with SUSPENSION DESIGNED FOR RE. I dont know of any front engine cars with suspension designed for front engine + cement bags. You continue to amaze.
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
LOL, so I guess Porsche is that much more developed than the likes of Ferrari that they can take a rear engine and run circles around a mid engine? While still having a worse weight/power ratio?
Someone at some point did design a clean sheet racing car with a rear engine, and to this day it's still kicking front and mid engine cars around in racing. Sometimes doing something different actually works because it fits the intended purpose. This is one of them.
The results speak for themselves.
So that's why Formula 1 cars have the engine in the middle and not the back, cos having it in the back will make them too fast?
So that's why Formula 1 cars have the engine in the middle and not the back, cos having it in the back will make them too fast?
Does this look like the middle of the car to you?
__________________ The GT-R is harder to drift than a 997 TT or 997 GT3, therefore if you are trying to drift, the GT-R will consequently get a faster lap. Normal apexing and driving not included.
So that's why Formula 1 cars have the engine in the middle and not the back, cos having it in the back will make them too fast?
formula1 cars are about as close to street cars as UFO's are to airplanes.
Lemans GT class cars are the closest thin to street cars there is, so if you know anything about F1 cars and their engines you will realize that they have nothing to do with real cars. If you want to look at technology transfer to street cars then look at forms of racing that use the same or similar engines, like Lemans, IMSA, the old SCCA, etc. Even NASCAR is closer to street than F1.
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