GT2RS Inspired 997 Turbo build...
#107
11-27-2015, 03:18 PM
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I find it's pretty odd why folks on this thread think my gt2 is a fake. My guess is they have never seen a real one? To be expected I guess.
#108
11-27-2015, 03:22 PM
Id take what people say on forums with a pinch of salt bro.
Many people know everything.
#109
11-27-2015, 03:26 PM
It was presented to me as a replica (with a single photo). I did point out however that it looked more like a GT2 than a GT2RS. The only thing that threw me was you have added RS winglets and the front lip is also from the RS.
#110
11-27-2015, 03:26 PM
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Aftermarket wheels
Ah yes I thought it was a GT2, or at least GT2 styling. I don't like those wheels though, they don't suit the car.
I think in the US people tend to put third party wheels on their cars much more than in the UK. I personally think that Porsche's wheels are better than any third party.
I think in the US people tend to put third party wheels on their cars much more than in the UK. I personally think that Porsche's wheels are better than any third party.
I went with BBS forged motorsport wheels because they are stronger and lighter than factory. Subjective looks aside, being a Porsche fanboy can make you blind to what is better and what is worse for the car.
#111
11-27-2015, 03:34 PM
It's a GT2 with light GT2RS styling (fender flares to accommodate wider front wheels and tires and front lip).
I went with BBS forged motorsport wheels because they are stronger and lighter than factory. Subjective looks aside, being a Porsche fanboy can make you blind to what is better and what is worse for the car.
I went with BBS forged motorsport wheels because they are stronger and lighter than factory. Subjective looks aside, being a Porsche fanboy can make you blind to what is better and what is worse for the car.
#113
12-17-2015, 09:28 AM
Last update of 2015
Well it’s been a frustrating wait for some of the latest parts that were ordered in the last couple of months. The first a carbon bonnet ordered from LWS Design arrived today and, I have to say the quality is beyond what I had envisioned. And the phrase I once saw written over the entrance to a restaurant on a cruise ship I worked on years ago came to mind. “Excellence is not perfection, it is better than expected.”
Absolute first class finish
Unfortunately the quality of the finish has been overshadowed by the experience from ordering to receiving. When placing the order the build time was meant to be three weeks. At the 20-day point I emailed them to find out the status of my order, this was on the Monday. On Wednesday having had no reply I sent a further email, and again on Friday, all went unanswered. I called on the Friday as now I was starting to get worried that maybe they had gone out of business. No answer (or voicemail).
The following Monday (day 30) I emailed the personal email address and the main LWS email address and said seeing as I had not received a reply and did not know what was happening I had no choice to contact my credit card to recover the money (Ł1050). At was at this point I received a reply. “Very sorry with delay your bonnet is now complete and is just having the 2k Satin coat applied you will have the bonnet by the weekend or sooner.” Lewis Houben told me. The weekend came and went, still no bonnet. So on the Monday (day 40) I contacted him again. Lewis came back to me again, “The bonnet will be shipped to you Thursday it is ready but we are just fabricating the Brackets.” Another weekend came and went, still no bonnet. By this time I was starting to get nervous as I was due to re-join my vessel at the weekend and I had no more time to wait. So day 50 (Monday) I contacted him and said that if it didn’t arrive this week I was going to have issues. Then today (Thursday) I received another message saying, “The Bonnet is going to be Hand delivered today.” So six and a half weeks after it was ordered it finally arrived. Once it is fitted I have no doubt that I will be completely happy with it and as time passes I’ll think less of this and only about how good it looks. But as a company they really need to get to grips with this part of their business. In the 21st Century there is no excuse for poor communications.
Bonnet has a Satin finish on the exterior section and the interior section is a bare carbon finish which feels and looks very motor sport!
Deck Lid
The other big part ordered was a rear deck lid with spoiler. This part has been the hardest to source. Not that it’s hard to find, a quick look on Teile.com will result in three or four. The problem is the cost; Teile want €10,000 for a complete used deck lid. I had resigned myself to the fact that I would need to spend big bucks on this part, but then I thought I had found a solution. A company in Belgium called Air Cooled Classics were advertising a full carbon deck lid with spoiler for €2,500. I have seen many, many deck lids usually made from glass fibre that never seemed to be good enough quality wise and I didn’t want any of that material on my car. However here was one in carbon fibre. I made contact and asked many questions, about the finish etc. They explained they had them made by a third party company and had received very good feedback from satisfied customers. They also had very good images of what the part looked like and it almost looked OEM. So even though I was a little reluctant I placed the order. Amazingly they said it would only take 10 days to make. And 10 days later the email came through to day it had shipped. They sent three photos but they were small and didn’t really show much. Once it arrived and it was unpacked there were quite a few imperfections on initial inspection. However everything could be sorted in the prep for painting. However when I flipped it over to look at the side where the fan sits, I discovered a major mistake that would mean it would have to be returned. They had made it for a standard Carrera not a Turbo. Immediately thoughts about having to pay shipping back to Belgium and having to deal with it so close to going away was quite stressful.
Part as advertised
Part delivered
Probably damaged in transit
Uneven lip spoiler (should be level to grey spoiler
Scratches on carbon
Wrong lid!
I contacted ACC to tell them about the issue with the photos you can see, and shortly after I received a phone call from Dirk Nelisson. He was not pleased with what had happened and said he’d spoken to them and they had sent me the wrong part which was meant for another customer. He arranged to have it collected and returned to them at no cost to me. He said he would get mine arranged to be sent as soon as it was ready. However I told him I would only accept it after being sent lots of Hi-res images of the completed part. However I’m now thinking about whether or not to just cancel the part and go back to my original plan of buying a genuine part.
Other parts
One other part that arrived (hassle free) was the GT2 centre radiator. I decided to go for an aftermarket, performance part from CSF. that turned out to be actually less expensive then OEM. It was ordered from Design911 through ebay, and it is a quality item.
And finally the Porsche emblem for the bonnet that as you all know on the GT2RS is a sticker was ordered OEM from Porsche. Now I know what yu are going to say, that I am crazy but the cost was… Ł45! For a sticker! I know there are many stickers on ebay and other sites that I am sure are find looking once on but I firmly believe that the devil is in the detail and I wanted to get the genuine item.
Like I mentioned, work awaits and I need to get my game face on so the car has been placed in storage. It has its PJs and slippers on in the garage. The bonnet will have to wait until next time and besides even if I’d had time I don’t want to fit until the entire front end is done anyway. I was hoping to have all the major external bodywork on by the spring but the deck lid is a major setback to that schedule.
Well it’s been a frustrating wait for some of the latest parts that were ordered in the last couple of months. The first a carbon bonnet ordered from LWS Design arrived today and, I have to say the quality is beyond what I had envisioned. And the phrase I once saw written over the entrance to a restaurant on a cruise ship I worked on years ago came to mind. “Excellence is not perfection, it is better than expected.”
Absolute first class finish
Unfortunately the quality of the finish has been overshadowed by the experience from ordering to receiving. When placing the order the build time was meant to be three weeks. At the 20-day point I emailed them to find out the status of my order, this was on the Monday. On Wednesday having had no reply I sent a further email, and again on Friday, all went unanswered. I called on the Friday as now I was starting to get worried that maybe they had gone out of business. No answer (or voicemail).
The following Monday (day 30) I emailed the personal email address and the main LWS email address and said seeing as I had not received a reply and did not know what was happening I had no choice to contact my credit card to recover the money (Ł1050). At was at this point I received a reply. “Very sorry with delay your bonnet is now complete and is just having the 2k Satin coat applied you will have the bonnet by the weekend or sooner.” Lewis Houben told me. The weekend came and went, still no bonnet. So on the Monday (day 40) I contacted him again. Lewis came back to me again, “The bonnet will be shipped to you Thursday it is ready but we are just fabricating the Brackets.” Another weekend came and went, still no bonnet. By this time I was starting to get nervous as I was due to re-join my vessel at the weekend and I had no more time to wait. So day 50 (Monday) I contacted him and said that if it didn’t arrive this week I was going to have issues. Then today (Thursday) I received another message saying, “The Bonnet is going to be Hand delivered today.” So six and a half weeks after it was ordered it finally arrived. Once it is fitted I have no doubt that I will be completely happy with it and as time passes I’ll think less of this and only about how good it looks. But as a company they really need to get to grips with this part of their business. In the 21st Century there is no excuse for poor communications.
Bonnet has a Satin finish on the exterior section and the interior section is a bare carbon finish which feels and looks very motor sport!
Deck Lid
The other big part ordered was a rear deck lid with spoiler. This part has been the hardest to source. Not that it’s hard to find, a quick look on Teile.com will result in three or four. The problem is the cost; Teile want €10,000 for a complete used deck lid. I had resigned myself to the fact that I would need to spend big bucks on this part, but then I thought I had found a solution. A company in Belgium called Air Cooled Classics were advertising a full carbon deck lid with spoiler for €2,500. I have seen many, many deck lids usually made from glass fibre that never seemed to be good enough quality wise and I didn’t want any of that material on my car. However here was one in carbon fibre. I made contact and asked many questions, about the finish etc. They explained they had them made by a third party company and had received very good feedback from satisfied customers. They also had very good images of what the part looked like and it almost looked OEM. So even though I was a little reluctant I placed the order. Amazingly they said it would only take 10 days to make. And 10 days later the email came through to day it had shipped. They sent three photos but they were small and didn’t really show much. Once it arrived and it was unpacked there were quite a few imperfections on initial inspection. However everything could be sorted in the prep for painting. However when I flipped it over to look at the side where the fan sits, I discovered a major mistake that would mean it would have to be returned. They had made it for a standard Carrera not a Turbo. Immediately thoughts about having to pay shipping back to Belgium and having to deal with it so close to going away was quite stressful.
Part as advertised
Part delivered
Probably damaged in transit
Uneven lip spoiler (should be level to grey spoiler
Scratches on carbon
Wrong lid!
I contacted ACC to tell them about the issue with the photos you can see, and shortly after I received a phone call from Dirk Nelisson. He was not pleased with what had happened and said he’d spoken to them and they had sent me the wrong part which was meant for another customer. He arranged to have it collected and returned to them at no cost to me. He said he would get mine arranged to be sent as soon as it was ready. However I told him I would only accept it after being sent lots of Hi-res images of the completed part. However I’m now thinking about whether or not to just cancel the part and go back to my original plan of buying a genuine part.
Other parts
One other part that arrived (hassle free) was the GT2 centre radiator. I decided to go for an aftermarket, performance part from CSF. that turned out to be actually less expensive then OEM. It was ordered from Design911 through ebay, and it is a quality item.
And finally the Porsche emblem for the bonnet that as you all know on the GT2RS is a sticker was ordered OEM from Porsche. Now I know what yu are going to say, that I am crazy but the cost was… Ł45! For a sticker! I know there are many stickers on ebay and other sites that I am sure are find looking once on but I firmly believe that the devil is in the detail and I wanted to get the genuine item.
Like I mentioned, work awaits and I need to get my game face on so the car has been placed in storage. It has its PJs and slippers on in the garage. The bonnet will have to wait until next time and besides even if I’d had time I don’t want to fit until the entire front end is done anyway. I was hoping to have all the major external bodywork on by the spring but the deck lid is a major setback to that schedule.
Last edited by isysman; 12-18-2015 at 04:20 AM.
#114
12-17-2015, 10:08 AM
Rest of the car is to such a high standard I'd bite the bullet on the deck lid and go OEM. Can DB Carbon or the guys that did your bonnet not fabricate one? Looking forward to seeing finished result - its going to look magnificent. GT2 RS looks like Darth Vaders car in black lol
#115
12-17-2015, 10:28 AM
Rest of the car is to such a high standard I'd bite the bullet on the deck lid and go OEM. Can DB Carbon or the guys that did your bonnet not fabricate one? Looking forward to seeing finished result - its going to look magnificent. GT2 RS looks like Darth Vaders car in black lol
#116
12-17-2015, 11:08 AM
Looks good & coming along great, i was fortunate enough to find an Oem GT2rs hood at a very reasonable price here on 6 speed & it came in the original crate & all.Your looks very similar even the underneath side ,i also looked at the aftermarket options but was always concerned about the latches & hinges mounting correctly to CF & not flying open at 150 mph , all of the aftermarket ones i looked at mentioned (in the small print)that you had to use hood pins to keep the latched which wasn't gonna work for me.
#117
12-17-2015, 11:18 AM
Looks good & coming along great, i was fortunate enough to find an Oem GT2rs hood at a very reasonable price here on 6 speed & it came in the original crate & all.Your looks very similar even the underneath side ,i also looked at the aftermarket options but was always concerned about the latches & hinges mounting correctly to CF & not flying open at 150 mph , all of the aftermarket ones i looked at mentioned (in the small print)that you had to use hood pins to keep the latched which wasn't gonna work for me.
I would have preferred an OEM one but I couldn't find one at a decent price. I looked for two years.
Last edited by isysman; 12-17-2015 at 11:23 AM.
#118
12-18-2015, 04:58 AM
So I've been looking into what you said about companies stating bonnet/hood pins required and I saw a few companies saying that. I think it's a bit sly to put that in small print and yet manufacture the part without the holes. It's just protecting them against any claims.
Anyway I went back to the LWS Design website and on the page it states this: -
Anyway I went back to the LWS Design website and on the page it states this: -
"Lightweight replacement bonnets for the Porsche 997 and 987 (911, Cayman and Boxster)
These “Road spec” bonnets are a direct replacement, full replica inside and out, supplied ready to bolt-on. The fit is perfect and they weigh less than half that of the original aluminium item. Available in either:
(A) Fully carbon (5kg)
(B) 'Standard carbon' (carbon fibre outer with a fibreglass inner frame) (6kg)
(C) Fully fibreglass (7kg).
The carbon fibre is finished in a high-gloss clear coat, showing off the 2x2 twill carbon fibre weave. (3k, aerospace grade). Dry carbon is vacuum bagged and resin-infused, to ensure zero air bubbles and the lightest possible part. The bonnet is available with a 'chevron' weave pattern along the centre. or can be supplied without, this is the customers choice.
The fibreglass is finished in a high-gloss black (or white on request)
All of these bonnets can be painted if required.
We also make “Race spec” bonnets with no inner frame structure, intended for racing and track-orientated cars that require bonnet pins to fit. Please call or email for more info."
So I'm reasonably happy with that explination. I'll see how I feel when I'm driving as I often start thinking at 80mph 'Did I close the bonnet properly?', because of what happened when I was young.
These “Road spec” bonnets are a direct replacement, full replica inside and out, supplied ready to bolt-on. The fit is perfect and they weigh less than half that of the original aluminium item. Available in either:
(A) Fully carbon (5kg)
(B) 'Standard carbon' (carbon fibre outer with a fibreglass inner frame) (6kg)
(C) Fully fibreglass (7kg).
The carbon fibre is finished in a high-gloss clear coat, showing off the 2x2 twill carbon fibre weave. (3k, aerospace grade). Dry carbon is vacuum bagged and resin-infused, to ensure zero air bubbles and the lightest possible part. The bonnet is available with a 'chevron' weave pattern along the centre. or can be supplied without, this is the customers choice.
The fibreglass is finished in a high-gloss black (or white on request)
All of these bonnets can be painted if required.
We also make “Race spec” bonnets with no inner frame structure, intended for racing and track-orientated cars that require bonnet pins to fit. Please call or email for more info."
#120
12-18-2015, 11:04 AM
So I've been looking into what you said about companies stating bonnet/hood pins required and I saw a few companies saying that. I think it's a bit sly to put that in small print and yet manufacture the part without the holes. It's just protecting them against any claims.
Anyway I went back to the LWS Design website and on the page it states this: -
Anyway I went back to the LWS Design website and on the page it states this: -
"Lightweight replacement bonnets for the Porsche 997 and 987 (911, Cayman and Boxster)
These “Road spec” bonnets are a direct replacement, full replica inside and out, supplied ready to bolt-on. The fit is perfect and they weigh less than half that of the original aluminium item. Available in either:
(A) Fully carbon (5kg)
(B) 'Standard carbon' (carbon fibre outer with a fibreglass inner frame) (6kg)
(C) Fully fibreglass (7kg).
The carbon fibre is finished in a high-gloss clear coat, showing off the 2x2 twill carbon fibre weave. (3k, aerospace grade). Dry carbon is vacuum bagged and resin-infused, to ensure zero air bubbles and the lightest possible part. The bonnet is available with a 'chevron' weave pattern along the centre. or can be supplied without, this is the customers choice.
The fibreglass is finished in a high-gloss black (or white on request)
All of these bonnets can be painted if required.
We also make “Race spec” bonnets with no inner frame structure, intended for racing and track-orientated cars that require bonnet pins to fit. Please call or email for more info."
So I'm reasonably happy with that explination. I'll see how I feel when I'm driving as I often start thinking at 80mph 'Did I close the bonnet properly?', because of what happened when I was young.These “Road spec” bonnets are a direct replacement, full replica inside and out, supplied ready to bolt-on. The fit is perfect and they weigh less than half that of the original aluminium item. Available in either:
(A) Fully carbon (5kg)
(B) 'Standard carbon' (carbon fibre outer with a fibreglass inner frame) (6kg)
(C) Fully fibreglass (7kg).
The carbon fibre is finished in a high-gloss clear coat, showing off the 2x2 twill carbon fibre weave. (3k, aerospace grade). Dry carbon is vacuum bagged and resin-infused, to ensure zero air bubbles and the lightest possible part. The bonnet is available with a 'chevron' weave pattern along the centre. or can be supplied without, this is the customers choice.
The fibreglass is finished in a high-gloss black (or white on request)
All of these bonnets can be painted if required.
We also make “Race spec” bonnets with no inner frame structure, intended for racing and track-orientated cars that require bonnet pins to fit. Please call or email for more info."