new iPhone gs and PCM

[ayrton1975]

The machine was delivered to me by the official dealership with PCM 3.0 and an interface that would seem to be a dension gateway 500. i don't know if in USA is given the same interface! I'm beating like a mule but I go there all the way until they fix this matter

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[bbywu]

Originally Posted by psloss

It has an iPod interface, but it is not compatible with the iPhone 3G(S) or newest Nano. The PCM charges through the firewire connection which Apple has abandoned. The iPhone/Nano will function, but won't charge. The CableJive adapter fixes the problem and charges the devices properly.

Or the cable that Porsche makes as I posted above...

I am just curious why a Dension unit was installed if PCM 3.0 is already in the car.

[bbywu]

Originally Posted by ayrton1975

The machine was delivered to me by the official dealership with PCM 3.0 and an interface that would seem to be a dension gateway 500. i don't know if in USA is given the same interface!
I'm beating like a mule but I go there all the way until they fix this matter

Where are you plugging in your iPhone? If you don't have the interface pictured below, it is possible someone installed a Dension unit instead of a factory interface (which is an option.) A third alternative is to get the new Dension cable.

[ayrton1975]

yessss bbywu it is the same that I have and it seems to be a Dension Gateway 500 porsche made for but i'm not totally sure until I have the Dension answer, I also informed the mechanic porsche that maybe tomorrow will call an engineer of the Italian importer for More detailed information ..
Tomorrow we'll see what I can tell ..

[Minok]

So PAG patched the problem with this new cable (pictured from the SunCoast supplier in an earlier post)


As was stated, recharging the newer iDock devices is done via the USB port of the universal audio interface. From a practical standpoint, its probably a workable solution, if that cable isn't as insanely bulky and inflexible as the original DIN-iDock cable. Given the iWidget (iWidget = iPhone, iPod of all generations) fills up most of the space in the tray, there isn't really a way I found to have my iPod Photo in there and even consider plugging in a USB flash drive at the same time, so the loss of the USB port while the iWidget is installed isn't a big deal... its usually one or the other.

[adias]

Originally Posted by Minok

So PAG patched the problem with this new cable (pictured from the SunCoast supplier in an earlier post)


As was stated, recharging the newer iDock devices is done via the USB port of the universal audio interface. From a practical standpoint, its probably a workable solution, if that cable isn't as insanely bulky and inflexible as the original DIN-iDock cable. Given the iWidget (iWidget = iPhone, iPod of all generations) fills up most of the space in the tray, there isn't really a way I found to have my iPod Photo in there and even consider plugging in a USB flash drive at the same time, so the loss of the USB port while the iWidget is installed isn't a big deal... its usually one or the other.

You are probably right. In practice the workaround cable works. But... wouldn't you think that in a $100k car with a $600 option, the interface should have been designed correctly to begin with? What I'm saying is that blunders like this should not happen. Design QC should have caught it before production.

[psloss]

Originally Posted by adias

You are probably right. In practice the workaround cable works. But... wouldn't you think that in a $100k car with a $600 option, the interface should have been designed correctly to begin with? What I'm saying is that blunders like this should not happen. Design QC should have caught it before production.

I couldn't agree more. Especially since the 3G iPhone has been out for about a year. PAG has had plenty of time to get it "right".

[bbywu]

Originally Posted by adias

You are probably right. In practice the workaround cable works. But... wouldn't you think that in a $100k car with a $600 option, the interface should have been designed correctly to begin with? What I'm saying is that blunders like this should not happen. Design QC should have caught it before production.

Porsche was NOT the only manufacturer to be caught in this situation. Countless number of peripheral manufacturers, audio designers, and manufacturers have been stuck producing firewire charging adapters when Apple changed to USB.

Apple hinted toward a change, but was not forthcoming and made no official announcement for the change in specifications. By the time the new Nanos and 3G phones were out, PCM 3.0 was already in production.

Check out other auto sites, ilounge.com, and other iPod sites and see the number of frustrated customers. If you want to blame anyone, point the finger at Apple.

[K-E-V]

Originally Posted by bbywu

Porsche was NOT the only manufacturer to be caught in this situation. Countless number of peripheral manufacturers, audio designers, and manufacturers have been stuck producing firewire charging adapters when Apple changed to USB.

Apple hinted toward a change, but was not forthcoming and made no official announcement for the change in specifications. By the time the new Nanos and 3G phones were out, PCM 3.0 was already in production.

Check out other auto sites, ilounge.com, and other iPod sites and see the number of frustrated customers. If you want to blame anyone, point the finger at Apple.

Apple was one of the major proponents of FireWire, along with Sony. I guess they don't want to admit that they supported the less popular interface. In my M3, this problem is also solved by a new cable to converts the charging voltage from 12 to 5V

[bbywu]

Originally Posted by K-E-V

Apple was one of the major proponents of FireWire, along with Sony. I guess they don't want to admit that they supported the less popular interface. In my M3, this problem is also solved by a new cable to converts the charging voltage from 12 to 5V

BMW's solution is much more elegant than Porsche's. Rather than re-pinning power to steal from the USB port (which needs to be plugged in on the replacement cable) they should have designed a completely new cable to change the voltage at the interface itself. As much as I blame Apple, I also blame the company that took 6 years longer than everyone else to develop touchscreen navigation.

[Minok]

Originally Posted by adias

You are probably right. In practice the workaround cable works. But... wouldn't you think that in a $100k car with a $600 option, the interface should have been designed correctly to begin with? What I'm saying is that blunders like this should not happen. Design QC should have caught it before production.

Possibly... depending on the lead times for manufacture.

It depends on when Porsche had to lock down the design of the interface in the car, and the cable, in order to have its suppliers be able to manufacture the parts so they were on hand to begin production in the early-middle of 2008.

I don't know when Apple announced that the interface changes would happen to the dock connector (dropping the ability to charge from the 12v firewire pin, and I'm sure they were as tight-lipped as they always are about things) , but it may well have happened after Porsche AG had to commit to production designs for the components.

[ayrton1975]

hi guys, this his the dension answer to my question:
"Explanation is very simple: Apple changed the charging specification for the new iPods and iPhones from 12V to 5V. As your Gateway was released, there were no iPods with 5V charging.
Solution is to buy the new blue mini DIN cable and replace the current one.
Best regards,
Dension Support Team
www.dension.com"
Then it seems that it is only a matter of cable and the gateway 500 is not 5v.
Now only remains for me to try to find this cable blessed to see if you it can solve the problem.
See you soon Ciao ciao

[ayrton1975]

incredible but true, the interface is not a Dension, they gave me wrong information!
in the days to try new solutions when I get settled again I will communicate

[ayrton1975]

I solved the problem with the Scosche adapter thanks to the suggestion bbywu, so the pcm has a 12v output!!! Pity only that now the phone is not within the premises and must be placed somewhere else but this is not like Adias said.
I hope only that Porsche resolved with a new cable or if possible with a software update, thanks to everyone and I hope that the discussion is useful for other people.
Ciao ciao

[adias]

Originally Posted by ayrton1975

I solved the problem with the Scosche adapter thanks to the suggestion bbywu, so the pcm has a 12v output!!! Pity only that now the phone is not within the premises and must be placed somewhere else but this is not like Adias said.
I hope only that Porsche resolved with a new cable or if possible with a software update, thanks to everyone and I hope that the discussion is useful for other people.
Ciao ciao

What? My comment was precisely that adding an adaptor like the Scosche or Jive adds bulk (less w// the latter) so it's hard to fit in the accessory bin (what you call premises ).