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I have an 997.2 manual tranny. Today I got a chance to drive a 997.1 tiptronic S and it was the biggest load of crap ever. It's almost like they are not even the same car. The car was sluggish , shifts were sloppy and it just felt flimsy. I have never driven a PDK so hopefull all of that has been remedied but I would say those with 997.1 tiptronics will be punished severely at trade in time. I would rather have a bone stock manual 370Z than the tiptronic loaded S cab I drove today. It was that bad.
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I have an 997.2 manual tranny. Today I got a chance to drive a 997.1 tiptronic S and it was the biggest load of crap ever. It's almost like they are not even the same car. The car was sluggish , shifts were sloppy and it just felt flimsy. I have never driven a PDK so hopefull all of that has been remedied but I would say those with 997.1 tiptronics will be punished severely at trade in time. I would rather have a bone stock manual 370Z than the tiptronic loaded S cab I drove today. It was that bad.
2 years ago I test drove a 997.1 C2S with Tiptronic and up to today, it's one of the worst test drives I remember...
The gearbox is really terrible, absolutely no driver involvement...
My current car is a 997.2 C4S with PDK and this transmission is really the best of both worlds ! Really amazed by how it works !
I have an 997.2 manual tranny. Today I got a chance to drive a 997.1 tiptronic S and it was the biggest load of crap ever. It's almost like they are not even the same car. The car was sluggish , shifts were sloppy and it just felt flimsy. I have never driven a PDK so hopefull all of that has been remedied but I would say those with 997.1 tiptronics will be punished severely at trade in time. I would rather have a bone stock manual 370Z than the tiptronic loaded S cab I drove today. It was that bad.
I don't understand the point of posts like this. You own a car you like, why bash a car that others on the forums own.
At the PSDS some instructors were in tips...they did some pretty neat things on the track.
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I disagree. It depends how you drive it - it's shifting logic is adaptive - it can be very sluggish or not. It is very much driver and throttle application dependent. Actually the tip does not use the torque converter with 3rd 4th or 5th.
The issue is not regarding the level of performance that is part of or acquired by the Tip system. To me the essence of a Porsche is the direct connection of the driver to the road. The light and direct steering feel, the strength and delicate touch of the brakes. But connecting ones right foot to an engine that then has to go through a liquid coupling on it's way to engagement with the ground is just frustrating and (IMHO) inconsistent with the design center of the car. Yes, that soft coupling can enable the engine to spin in the center of the power band before engaging or locking up. Kind of like slipping the clutch continuously to ensure peak power. But its just that loss of connection that is a huge turn off to me. I know that many TT owners chose the Tip because it could eek out slightly higher 0-60 times. I've also read that many were disappointed that the 'faster' car was not an 'engaging' (no pun intended) car.
Again, just my opinion. We allow that, right?
Hey there are some people on this forum that are adamantly anti 20" wheels, others are anti wing/GT3 posers. I just don't have a lot of respect for a P-car with a Hydra-Matic! Of course, and I do mean this quite sincerely, to each his/her own. The owners tastes and choice is the only thing that counts.
[quote][I know that many TT owners chose the Tip because it could eek out slightly higher 0-60 times./QUOTE]
When the Turbo was launched there was a lot of auto journalist praise about the Tip being faster . Was it to clear away parts ? To make ready for PDK? Or was it really faster and worth buying? Either way a lot of people bought Tip Turbos and now those cars went Timberrrrrrrrr!!!!!! in depreciation.
I never drove one .
In fact it took months to even cosider driving PDK . I was that happy with manual that I thought nothing could compare.
Yea, I never tracked the depreciation rates of the tt tip versus 6 speed, but I wouldn't be surprised if the tip fell far more quickly. BTW, none of my comments carry to the PDK. Totally different thing.
I don't understand the point of posts like this. You own a car you like, why bash a car that others on the forums own.
Agreed. I can't imagine the point of it - very uncouth.
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I wonder if he noticed the + & - buttons on the steering wheel. Granted they're not 'paddles' but they do allow for driver involvement regarding gear selection & shift points depending if your in the auto or manual mode.
The alleged 'sluggish feeling' might be due to the fact that the car he drove was typically driven in that fashion and thus it adapted to that mode.
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I dunno, I think the OP has a pt. I don't understand why so many ppl go out and buy these relatively expensive sportscars here in HK, for example, only to hamper its performance w/ an A/T: my guess is that they just don't know how to drive. I bet they'd get a Zonda in A/T if it was available.
I don't buy into the manual vs auto arguement. The 997 is engaging regardless of transmission. PDK is very quick and seemless but starting to become like an electric car. All said and done I would go PDK over Tiptronic. The tip remembers how you drive. Using the +/- buttons makes a big difference and it does involve the driver. I prefer AMT for twisties over manual, my preference. We are all winners with a Pcar. There are alot more factors than the transmission...ie the driver, tyres, engine.
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