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I've been looking at a non S 05 997 cab. I am curious about S vs non S issues. Is resale an issue for a non S? Is there that much of a difference with 30 hp less? How important is PASM? (It does have PSM). Are the brakes in the non S sufficient or will I miss the better braking of the S? I realize the S sits 10 mm lower, but is the handling much different (especially in a cab)? I assume the PASM makes for quite a bit better handling, but when things break or wear down, what are your replacement options - are there any aftermarket struts and shocks for S cabs with PASM?
There are other S cabs available with similar features being a year or two newer as well. The prices seem quite a bit more for the S cabs and that has me wondering about resale values, although, I'll honestly keep the vehicle for at least 5 years. (The non S cab with 22k miles I think could be had for $42K with 2 yrs of cpo warranty, the 06 arctic S cab with 15k miles maybe $58k with 3 yrs cpo warranty, and the 07 white S cab (10k miles) maybe $62k with 3.5 yrs cpo warranty??)
I also wonder about color and resale value. I like the classic arctic silver/black/black, but have always liked white cars. There is a S cab in white/stone gray/stone gray available, which I like, but is the arctic more "resellable".
Sorry for my rambling thoughts, I just need some help to decide.
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Is there that much of a difference with 30 hp less?
On the street, not much, non S is sufficient to get you in trouble with the cops
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How important is PASM? (It does have PSM).
IMO it's a must have, but there are people that could care less. PASM can also be useful on bad roads offering a little softer ride (when in Normal mode). It helps with 19" wheels
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Are the brakes in the non S sufficient or will I miss the better braking of the S?
It depends how you going to drive it. On the street they are more then sufficient IMO, on the track you need at least aftermarket pads, but if you a re a track junkie invest in some bigger brakes. Then if you were looking at a track car you probably wouldn't consider getting cab
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I realize the S sits 10 mm lower, but is the handling much different (especially in a cab)? I assume the PASM makes for quite a bit better handling, but when things break or wear down, what are your replacement options - are there any aftermarket struts and shocks for S cabs with PASM?
You can go with Bilstein Damptronics which are compatible with PASM. I'm not aware of any other aftermarket system that is compatible, but I may be wrong
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There are other S cabs available with similar features being a year or two newer as well. The prices seem quite a bit more for the S cabs and that has me wondering about resale values, although, I'll honestly keep the vehicle for at least 5 years. (The non S cab with 22k miles I think could be had for $42K with 2 yrs of cpo warranty, the 06 arctic S cab with 15k miles maybe $58k with 3 yrs cpo warranty, and the 07 white S cab maybe $62k with 3.5 yrs cpo warranty??)
In terms of absolute $ there probably won't be much difference. You'll get less for non S when you will sell, but it also costs you less to buy
However, I'd consider '06+ cars for beefed up IMS (although for pre MY06 the upgrade is available from flat6innovations), and upgraded oil scavenging pump.
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Sorry for my rambling thoughts, I just need some help to decide.
While I currently drive '08 987 CS due to a baby and need of a back seat I am looking to move to either '06-07 C2S or '09 C2S. 06-07 car may win as it offers incredible value, but 997.2 C2S can supposedly be had for 20% off the MRSP so that's a great value too!
Test drive both 997 C2 and 997 C2S. If you are ok with the non S save money. Another good option for you may be a non S '09 which is only 10hp down comparing to 997.1 C2S and brand new DFI engine (no IMS do worry about)
Thanks for the info. I was unaware of the beefed up IMS and upgraded oil scavenging on the 06+ models. This will be a weekend car for nice days. I'll be selling a 1995 BMW 325 cab that just turned 26k miles - pretty much a garage queen.
Just my opinion, but when I was looking for a Cab, I never even considered and/or looked at cars that were non S. Some of you may think I'm being narrowed minded on this, but for me it was simple. This was going to be a car that I was going to be spending a good chunk of money on and there was no way I was going to get a non S car and always have that feeling when I walked into the garage or driving down the street having that "I should have got an S" feeling. I'm not even going to go into detail on the specifics of the S versus non S items (such as the brakes on the S, more h.p.) as it really just came down to the fact that I didn't want to have that nagging feeling if I didn't get the S (and that nagging feeling isn't something that one can really put a dollar amount on or put into words on a car forum).
Are the rear seats uninhabitable by humans? I have a 4 yr old and 8 yr old.
It will be perfect for them. Rear seats in 911 are perfect for children.
Don`t get yourself into S vs non-S dilemma, just look for best cheapest CPO '06+ car you can find on a market with lower milage possible.
Regular C2 may be around of $10K cheaper than comparable C2S. Try to search for private party cars, but keep in mind - CPO status is a must.
Just my opinion, but when I was looking for a Cab, I never even considered and/or looked at cars that were non S. Some of you may think I'm being narrowed minded on this, but for me it was simple. This was going to be a car that I was going to be spending a good chunk of money on and there was no way I was going to get a non S car and always have that feeling when I walked into the garage or driving down the street having that "I should have got an S" feeling. I'm not even going to go into detail on the specifics of the S versus non S items (such as the brakes on the S, more h.p.) as it really just came down to the fact that I didn't want to have that nagging feeling if I didn't get the S (and that nagging feeling isn't something that one can really put a dollar amount on or put into words on a car forum).
I'm pretty much the same, only considering the S version. Those that don't have that nagging feeling are lucky because they will be happy with non S and it's an awesome car either way
Just my opinion, but when I was looking for a Cab, I never even considered and/or looked at cars that were non S. Some of you may think I'm being narrowed minded on this, but for me it was simple. This was going to be a car that I was going to be spending a good chunk of money on and there was no way I was going to get a non S car and always have that feeling when I walked into the garage or driving down the street having that "I should have got an S" feeling. I'm not even going to go into detail on the specifics of the S versus non S items (such as the brakes on the S, more h.p.) as it really just came down to the fact that I didn't want to have that nagging feeling if I didn't get the S (and that nagging feeling isn't something that one can really put a dollar amount on or put into words on a car forum).
That's what I'm worried about - the "I really should have gotten an "S" ringing in my head.
What options do you all consider to be "required". I'd guess sport chrono. Most others seem to be personal preference - wheel style, bose, nav, etc. Am I overlooking any?
I have a non-S and am learning to drive it like its meant to be driven. Its more than enough car for most drivers.
If your looking for performance why are you thinking of a cab. I keep up with and pass cab "S' all the time on the track with a stock non-S coupe.
Get a S coupe.
Good point, well taken.
I simply don't want a coupe. I suspect I'd be OK with a non S 06+ MY cab, but I'd always wonder. I guess I'm trying to talk myself out of an "S" cab. The 05 non "S" certainly is priced right.
What is the failure rate of 05 IMS? I've read 10%!
I simply don't want a coupe. I suspect I'd be OK with a non S 06+ MY cab, but I'd always wonder. I guess I'm trying to talk myself out of an "S" cab. The 05 non "S" certainly is priced right.
What is the failure rate of 05 IMS? I've read 10%!
No one knows the failure rate. People speculate.
But I would not own an 05 or earlier 911 w/o a CPO warranty .
I have an 05 and the engine has been replaced under CPO warranty.
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