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thanks all for the feedback, you all been a great help, even to yrralis1, who put the video of the Lambo begging for mercy as the turbo blew past, lol. Thanks to all, i think the clear choice is the 2010 turbo 20 more horses, plus i have the 4 year 50,000 mile warranty in which PePe Porsche in White Plains, N.Y takes very very good care of me, as far as service goes.
The 2010 car of both are very different cars than an 07 997tt and a precious generation Lambo. That would be a hard decision .
The 2010 Turbo will have the DFI engine which somewhat will bring tuners into a new domain of modifications. Stock the car may still have some remnants of lag . It may take time to get to the level of the current Turbo. The previous 07 to 09 model has the legendary Gt1 engine and that is about to change on the 2010 car.
if you want a weekend toy, the lambo would be nice. It ain't no daily driver though. As an aside, I could not care less how many cars can beat it on some runway in holland, or wherever. I can't see myself ever bothering with dragstrip comparos. If that were the case, who could touch a ZR-1??
My biggest attraction to the gallardo, besides the exotic nature, is the far superior chassis dynamics compared to the rear engined porsches. A few months ago they did a nice comparo in R&T and compared the gallardo to the GT2 (and others). Needless to say, all the testers wished for the GT3 to compare to the lambo. They had just about nothing good to say about the tuning of the GT2. (lot's of "bull in a chinashop" type comments) I think that the more money and power you invest in the 997 chassis, the more the flaws show through.
Naturally, The gallardo and it's sister-car, the Audi R8, were all peaches and cream. It just comes down to lower polar moment of inertia, better weight dist., lower CG and no struts!
Naturally, I cannot afford either car
But, the amount of hassle the gallardo would supply if you tried to drive it with any regularity would be insane. Most of the used lambos have very very low mileage and still take a hit. Can you imagine one with 40K miles!
if you want a weekend toy, the lambo would be nice. It ain't no daily driver though. As an aside, I could not care less how many cars can beat it on some runway in holland, or wherever. I can't see myself ever bothering with dragstrip comparos. If that were the case, who could touch a ZR-1??
My biggest attraction to the gallardo, besides the exotic nature, is the far superior chassis dynamics compared to the rear engined porsches. A few months ago they did a nice comparo in R&T and compared the gallardo to the GT2 (and others). Needless to say, all the testers wished for the GT3 to compare to the lambo. They had just about nothing good to say about the tuning of the GT2. (lot's of "bull in a chinashop" type comments) I think that the more money and power you invest in the 997 chassis, the more the flaws show through.
Naturally, The gallardo and it's sister-car, the Audi R8, were all peaches and cream. It just comes down to lower polar moment of inertia, better weight dist., lower CG and no struts!
Naturally, I cannot afford either car
But, the amount of hassle the gallardo would supply if you tried to drive it with any regularity would be insane. Most of the used lambos have very very low mileage and still take a hit. Can you imagine one with 40K miles!
40K miles woild break the budget just in service and how flaweed the car seems to hold up as a daily car . Add to that the depeciation and one can buy two Turbos.
No one buys these cars because they are slow . One can not overlook that despite an interesting suspension a Gallado will still be a spec in the rear view of a modded Turbo . ,
40K miles woild break the budget just in service and how flaweed the car seems to hold up as a daily car . Add to that the depeciation and one can buy two Turbos.
No one buys these cars because they are slow . One can not overlook that despite an interesting suspension a Gallado will still be a spec in the rear view of a modded Turbo . ,
why would 40K miles break the budget on service? Not sure what you mena by that. The Gallardo and modern day Ferrari's are built to be as reliable as any other car. Do they cost more to service? of course. If you can't afford to service them propoerly, then you can't afford the car., and shouldn't buy it. But, theres' no engine out service, no belts anymore etc. There are some guys on Fchat with some big miles on F430's and nothing but fluids and oil.
This fallacy that still exists with some of these cars that they just fall apart after a few thousand miles is silly. Look at all the Audi parts in the lambo
As far as depreication - I'm pretty sure neither of us would be happy if we were to sell our 997TT's. Pretty horrendous depreciation if you ask me.
As far as the OP question. I would look for an '06 or later if you can. I would trade my TT for an F430 in a heartbeat but not for the Gallardo. Drove both back to back and much preferred the F car.
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Park in a lot to get a Starbucks and there's a crowd around your car when you come out, trying to see who you are. Sounds fun right, papparazzi and all? Think again. Fun for a minute, but on a daily basis? You can sorta understand how it would suck to be Michael Jordan.
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It's all relative I think. Down here in South Florida people don't even do a double take when they see a Gallardo or any other supercar, quite frankly because they're so common to see.
When I lived up north near NYC, even I would freak out when I saw one..."holy crap I saw a Gallardo today!!". But down here, I barely look twice.
Personally if I wanted to drive the car every day and fly under the radar, I'd get the 997TT. If I wanted a weekend driver "hey look at me" car, I'd get the Lambo all day! Keep in mind that with a few simple mods, a 997TT will outperform the Lambo too.
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ooo just do both i did.... with the economy the way it is and the pricing on highline cars taking a dump its like buy one get one free
turbos the hot rod for the weekend
g is the for nice days and dates with the wifey
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why would 40K miles break the budget on service? Not sure what you mena by that. The Gallardo and modern day Ferrari's are built to be as reliable as any other car. Do they cost more to service? of course. If you can't afford to service them propoerly, then you can't afford the car., and shouldn't buy it. But, theres' no engine out service, no belts anymore etc. There are some guys on Fchat with some big miles on F430's and nothing but fluids and oil.
This fallacy that still exists with some of these cars that they just fall apart after a few thousand miles is silly. Look at all the Audi parts in the lambo
As far as depreication - I'm pretty sure neither of us would be happy if we were to sell our 997TT's. Pretty horrendous depreciation if you ask me.
As far as the OP question. I would look for an '06 or later if you can. I would trade my TT for an F430 in a heartbeat but not for the Gallardo. Drove both back to back and much preferred the F car.
this is true ^^^ if i cant get into an F430, i wont own any lesser ferrari and the ferrari is a sharper sword than a lambo
why would 40K miles break the budget on service? Not sure what you mena by that. The Gallardo and modern day Ferrari's are built to be as reliable as any other car. Do they cost more to service? of course. If you can't afford to service them propoerly, then you can't afford the car., and shouldn't buy it. But, theres' no engine out service, no belts anymore etc. There are some guys on Fchat with some big miles on F430's and nothing but fluids and oil.
This fallacy that still exists with some of these cars that they just fall apart after a few thousand miles is silly. Look at all the Audi parts in the lambo
As far as depreication - I'm pretty sure neither of us would be happy if we were to sell our 997TT's. Pretty horrendous depreciation if you ask me.
As far as the OP question. I would look for an '06 or later if you can. I would trade my TT for an F430 in a heartbeat but not for the Gallardo. Drove both back to back and much preferred the F car.
1) Ferrari is not as organized at supplying technicians with the adequate manuals and repair specifics as Porsche (who is extremely organized).
2) They do break and even when they don't are not cheap to service .
3) The 997tt has depreciated . So has every car just about.
4) Audi is no price package of reliability either. Holding hands with Lambo isn't anything to cartwheel about .
I drove them both back to back (F430 and Gallardo) and agree with the sentiments. The F-car is a fine surgical instrument and the G was a brute. To be fair, it was not the 560. Hard acceleration with the Gallardo created an odd chassis/directional twist that was unnerving. Might be the AWD, of which I am just not a fan. And it simply felt bigger and heavier than the F. Not something I favor.
To me the look and sound of the Gallardo is beyond reproach. But the F430/F1 is the best drivers car I've ever sampled. And I do get the feeling that these are now reasonably solid cars. Well designed for longevity and service though incredibly high parts and labor costs. I still have some innate fear, based on history, that none of these stallions can be reliable or go the distance. But objectively, I suspect I'm wrong.
I haven't driven a current tt so I come up empty there but I'm sure like all Porsches' it's the supercar you can drive everyday.
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why would 40K miles break the budget on service? Not sure what you mena by that. The Gallardo and modern day Ferrari's are built to be as reliable as any other car. Do they cost more to service? of course. If you can't afford to service them propoerly, then you can't afford the car., and shouldn't buy it. But, theres' no engine out service, no belts anymore etc. There are some guys on Fchat with some big miles on F430's and nothing but fluids and oil.
This fallacy that still exists with some of these cars that they just fall apart after a few thousand miles is silly. Look at all the Audi parts in the lambo
As far as depreication - I'm pretty sure neither of us would be happy if we were to sell our 997TT's. Pretty horrendous depreciation if you ask me.
As far as the OP question. I would look for an '06 or later if you can. I would trade my TT for an F430 in a heartbeat but not for the Gallardo. Drove both back to back and much preferred the F car.
Agree about South Florida and nonchalance about automotive exotica. Service costs are not likely to be an issue if you don't drive anywhere and put less than 5K miles yearly. However, if you actually tried to drive a Lambo or Ferrari the way the vast majority of owners drive their Porsches you better have deep pockets if something breaks. I get the impression on these sites, possibly incorrectly, that the majority of "modern" Porsche owners keep their cars for a couple of years and then move onto another Porsche, so the warranty takes care of any major breakdowns. A major out of warranty repair on a Porsche can be an expensive proposition. The Italian exotics just amplify the cost. My DD is an 83 380SL, a very ordinary car produced in very large numbers compared to the Italians. An AC blower motor just cost me $964. It didn't break, it wore out. Even if you can do the labor, parts are expensive. I also have some reservations about how the interiors of the Italian exotics last over time due to the wear characteristics of the materials used. I've seen F355s and older 360s look pretty shabby after only 20-30K miles. My 380SL interior doesn't look 25+ years old w/ 150K miles.
just about every car is depreciating and the more it costs, the more it depreciates, but the problem i have with the F and L cars (even though i plan to buy an F430 in the future) is that even if you can afford to buy it and maintain it, its hard to afford to drive it.
these cars are, in essence, museum pieces, that dont tolerate being driven more than about 1500 miles a year. anything more and you really start to cut into its resale.
one of my forum friends bought an 06 F430 for $235k. drove it for a short while and just barely got out of it in time before the prices took a nose dive. he sold it for 205K and bought a 997 GT2.
that same F430 can now be had for about $135k.
he is starting to slow down the miles on the GT2 not because of reliability but the miles start to hurt.
i plan to get the F430 6speed once they hit close to bottom and im going to work on it myself as much as i can and no i wont have an exit strategy because unlike most F430 owners, im going to keep it and drive it and not worry about the miles.
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