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The new 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo recently lapped the north loop of the Nürburgring in 7 minutes and 56 seconds, beating the Cadillac CTS-V by 3 seconds and taking the crown for the fastest lap time in a production sedan. Therefore no longer holding the "Worlds Fastest 4 Door" title.
Driving a German car and American car is two different things. I've driven both. It all depends on what your looking for, if resale value and reliability is a factor in your purchase then by all means go with the Mercedes. I would personally get it in manual if you decide to go with the CTS-V, I've heard of many instances where the automatic transmission fails and refuses to shift.
As for a daily driver, I'd much rather have the Mercedes. In my experience the Mercedes felt smoother while driving normally. As for "fun" obviously the CTS-V outweighs the Mercedes in performance.
I hear more engine than I do exhaust note with the CTS-V stock. Even at start up the C63 sounds meaner.
I think we'll all agree that the C63 is louder and sounds more America stock for stock against a CTS-V
Last edited by blackburry; 08-31-2009 at 06:01 AM.
the CTS-V motor is a pretty much a detuned LS9 from the ZR-1..you are getting a hyper car engine in a large 4 door car that can seat 5 for almost half the price of a ZR-1...the CTS-V will walk a C63...
The new 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo recently lapped the north loop of the Nürburgring in 7 minutes and 56 seconds, beating the Cadillac CTS-V by 3 seconds and taking the crown for the fastest lap time in a production sedan. Therefore no longer holding the "Worlds Fastest 4 Door" title.
Driving a German car and American car is two different things. I've driven both. It all depends on what your looking for, if resale value and reliability is a factor in your purchase then by all means go with the Mercedes. I would personally get it in manual if you decide to go with the CTS-V, I've heard of many instances where the automatic transmission fails and refuses to shift.
As for a daily driver, I'd much rather have the Mercedes. In my experience the Mercedes felt smoother while driving normally. As for "fun" obviously the CTS-V outweighs the Mercedes in performance.
To bad that Porsche is ugly as sin.
Also remember who drove the Porsche, there best test driver. The Caddy was driven by an engineer and it was a automatic.
The new 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo recently lapped the north loop of the Nürburgring in 7 minutes and 56 seconds, beating the Cadillac CTS-V by 3 seconds and taking the crown for the fastest lap time in a production sedan. Therefore no longer holding the "Worlds Fastest 4 Door" title.
Driving a German car and American car is two different things. I've driven both. It all depends on what your looking for, if resale value and reliability is a factor in your purchase then by all means go with the Mercedes. I would personally get it in manual if you decide to go with the CTS-V, I've heard of many instances where the automatic transmission fails and refuses to shift.
As for a daily driver, I'd much rather have the Mercedes. In my experience the Mercedes felt smoother while driving normally. As for "fun" obviously the CTS-V outweighs the Mercedes in performance.
Andrew my man,...I have been fortunate enough to drive cars from all over the world. From Ferrari's to Mercedes, to Vipers, to Maybach's... whatever. Driven them all. I am biased. Without a doubt. But, I am logical. I don't feed people BS,... and I am not trying to sell a car. I believe a car,....any car, will sell itself to the right person, no salesman needed. Just the keys, and some fuel.
The new CTS,...not even the V,...is a very much refined vehicle. It is very modern, very edgy, and very sexy. Men, and women, both compliment the car very much soo,.... it is a NEW American car(I believe the American public should buy American cars,...go figure) and it's built with technology in mind. The Benz as well. But, the Mercedes,...is something I see everyday here in South Florida. It's a very simple, bland looking car. Sure, i'd take one in a heart beat........ and i'd give it to my mother as a gift. Thats my depth perception of THAT car.
The Caddy...looks the look, while staying classy. Clearly meaning buisness when approaching anyones rear view You know what it is,... and it is rare to see one.
As far as the audible sound of a STOCK CTSV vs a STOCK benz..... well, have you noticed how restrictive the FACTORY airpipe on the V is How about the quiet exhaust with the really bad kink in the drivers side mid pipe? Point is,..if your buying this car, the CTSV,.,.... you could easily get all the noise you could ever imagine from one of these LSX motors. Lol.... How loud would you like your car batman? My vette,... open turbos, no mufflers. A caddy?... ah,... I wouldn't want it too loud but,..ya never know lol. Point is,... parts are available for the CTS V, the cost it would be to upgrade the pully, cold air kit, full exhaust and tune,...on a V,... would be about as much as the custom tunes they do on the Mercedes.
The mercedes is an overtaxed market.... even worse soo then the corvette tax.
The new 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo recently lapped the north loop of the Nürburgring in 7 minutes and 56 seconds, beating the Cadillac CTS-V by 3 seconds and taking the crown for the fastest lap time in a production sedan. Therefore no longer holding the "Worlds Fastest 4 Door" title.
Driving a German car and American car is two different things. I've driven both. It all depends on what your looking for, if resale value and reliability is a factor in your purchase then by all means go with the Mercedes. I would personally get it in manual if you decide to go with the CTS-V, I've heard of many instances where the automatic transmission fails and refuses to shift.
As for a daily driver, I'd much rather have the Mercedes. In my experience the Mercedes felt smoother while driving normally. As for "fun" obviously the CTS-V outweighs the Mercedes in performance.
Panamera could run 20 seconds quicker and I still wouldn't care as it still looks like it got beat by the ugly stick, never mind massive price difference.
The new V is a better car imo then the C63, drives better, handles better, fit and finish is nicer. I like my friends C63, great car and waaaaay better then the previous C class amg's, but there's a reason I'm looking to add a new V as a driver. It handles more like a sports car but yet is extremely comfortable to drive and smooth, not harsh like the C63 and I don't mind harsh having had a viper with motons, but it seems like they over stiffened the suspension thinking = handling, yet still missed that perfect balance like BMW has and now the CTS-V in terms of handling and ride comfort. Plus will be so easy to mod in comparison.
First of all, since this is the American Muscle section, I can see how I'd get those responses.
I don't give a damn if the Porsche is ugly as sin or if it was a shopping cart, the point is it now holds the record and until Cadillac is going to prove it otherwise, they hold title. The thread is what is more fun to drive, I was simply pointing out that the "Worlds Fastest Sedan" does not stand anymore and posting by a member.
@ The Fixed Roof - I see where your coming from, it's all down to preference after everything we discussed. Obviously there are more C63's out there than the CTS-V simply because the car is preferred more by customers. The sales numbers don't lie.
It's all down to what you like, personally I prefer the resale value of a German vehicle rather than an American vehicle. Also, from past experiences, I'd much rather have a warranty claim with Mercedes than GM in any type of situation.
First of all, since this is the American Muscle section, I can see how I'd get those responses.
I don't give a damn if the Porsche is ugly as sin or if it was a shopping cart, the point is it now holds the record and until Cadillac is going to prove it otherwise, they hold title. The thread is what is more fun to drive, I was simply pointing out that the "Worlds Fastest Sedan" does not stand anymore and posting by a member.
@ The Fixed Roof - I see where your coming from, it's all down to preference after everything we discussed. Obviously there are more C63's out there than the CTS-V simply because the car is preferred more by customers. The sales numbers don't lie.
It's all down to what you like, personally I prefer the resale value of a German vehicle rather than an American vehicle. Also, from past experiences, I'd much rather have a warranty claim with Mercedes than GM in any type of situation.
?? You do realize Benz and AMG models especially have among the worst resale value around... right?
Warrenty claim with Benz easier? We had an 03' E55 when they first came out that was a pos, the dealers were good, its Mercedes that was a pain in the ass on issues. Audi was bad as well. Contrary to our American Trucks we own that if we had anything that had to be done, no problemo. And Caddy btw is rated right there with Lexus for satisfaction levels/service handling
The one thing I always wished AMG would at least do is offer a manual trans.
?? You do realize Benz and AMG models especially have among the worst resale value around... right?
Warrenty claim with Benz easier? We had an 03' E55 when they first came out that was a pos, the dealers were good, its Mercedes that was a pain in the ass on issues. Audi was bad as well. Contrary to our American Trucks we own that if we had anything that had to be done, no problemo. And Caddy btw is rated right there with Lexus for satisfaction levels/service handling
The one thing I always wished AMG would at least do is offer a manual trans.
My friend has a CTS-V in automatic, his transmission won't shift after 3rd gear and Cadillac hasn't solved the problem in 3 months, meanwhile driving his little P.O.S. loaner car.
And actually according to JD Power an associates Merc and Cadillac are exactly the same ratings except 1 more star for Cadillac under "Delivery".
And under service rating, exactly the same as Cadillac.
I'm sorry you had a sour experience with your Mercedes dealer, time to look for a new one.
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