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Yes, thanks for reminding me of what I already had said.
It makes it stupid for BMW to be testing a powerplant and transmission they could stick in any body they want to? Huh?
I'm with you on them having no supercar and going back on their word regarding forced induction and M SUV's. However, I am not going to fault them for testing the waters and gauging the reaction of a more focused M model. Don't you understand the purpose of such an exercise?
It goes above testing when you slap a CSL badge on it and a whole lot of M stripes. I'm sure it's a beast of a car and I'd give my left nut to have one but in the end it's the professional aspect that doesn't jive with me.
I don't care what car they test it in but in the end they should have popped the motor/tranny in the M6 before they dub it CSL.
I'm all for testing the waters for a more focused M model but if you read between the lines this seems like the motor/tranny that was going into the next-gen M5 before they scrapped it to go green with turbos. So they lazily leave it in the M5, put in a CF roof, slap CSL on it and call it a day.
I really doubt they set out to make the 5.5L V10 to create a more focused M model. They cut 50kg and it's light weight all of a sudden? There are guys on m5board who have cut 3x that weight.
Just seems like marketing bull**** to me.
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It goes above testing when you slap a CSL badge on it and a whole lot of M stripes. I'm sure it's a beast of a car and I'd give my left nut to have one but in the end it's the professional aspect that doesn't jive with me.
I don't care what car they test it in but in the end they should have popped the motor/tranny in the M6 before they dub it CSL.
I'm all for testing the waters for a more focused M model but if you read between the lines this seems like the motor/tranny that was going into the next-gen M5 before they scrapped it to go green with turbos. So they lazily leave it in the M5, put in a CF roof, slap CSL on it and call it a day.
I really doubt they set out to make the 5.5L V10 to create a more focused M model. They cut 50kg and it's light weight all of a sudden? There are guys on m5board who have cut 3x that weight.
Just seems like marketing bull**** to me.
They know what they need to do to get attention. If there was no coverage what would be the point of the exercise? Load it up with stripes and badges and run it around the ring = coverage/interest.
Yes, in the end they should pop the motor and tranny in the M3, not the M6. However, the M6 does make more sense than the M5. In reality, the M6 has a small weight and handling advantage over the M5. I honestly expected more out of the M6 and certainly a greater performance different with the M5. Regardless, they are not producing it so we will never know how it would have ended up.
Were they just going to increase the stroke for the V10 and call it a day? I don't think so, seems the decision for turbos was made internally before this was revealed. This is not a drastic change of an automobile and the turbo announcement was made way before this.
Of course you can cut more weight, even off an already factory lightened car, GT3, Challenge Stradale, whatever. Clearly, much more could have been done here but considering this was just a one off exercise, that is where the development cost just to show off would come into play.
Yes, in the end they should pop the motor and tranny in the M3, not the M6. However, the M6 does make more sense than the M5. In reality, the M6 has a small weight and handling advantage over the M5. I honestly expected more out of the M6 and certainly a greater performance different with the M5. Regardless, they are not producing it so we will never know how it would have ended up.
Good edit
Seems your bias for the M3 is getting in the way. They don't swap motors for CSL, they improve on whats already there. The V10 was made for the M5/M6, how on earth is it more logical for them to put it in the M3 over the M6?
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Seems your bias for the M3 is getting in the way. They don't swap motors for CSL, they improve on whats already there. The V10 was made for the M5/M6, how on earth is it more logical for them to put it in the M3 over the M6?
Well, I would not necessarily say my bias for the M3 but my bias for the best handling platform available. For BMW, that would currently be the M3. That is the more logical choice because it is a better handler, more agile, and more focused to begin with. The M6 is certainly suited, but I'm just brainstorming making it the best possible "CSL" that BMW could.
Absolutely, traditionally they do as you stated. The also traditionally did only NA high revving motors... However, if they are willing to do M SUV's and turbos might as well through the book out the window and do engine swaps as well.
Sitting in a classroom does not mean you comprehend what is going on, as in this case.
The E46 M3 CSL was not exported to the US, no kidding, already said that, and? No one is trying to prove how much money the CSL made. This is a niche enthusiast vehicle with a specific target and purpose, why is this tough to understand?
I have never discounted the Cayenne. For what, the third time, I am saying it makes a good business case. Maybe you should try reading what I wrote instead of day dreaming about Nobel laureates and attempting to justify yourself with your off topic tangents? Why is this all flying over your head?
I feel like I'm trying to explain to my 1 year old why water is wet.
Seriously, why would BMW spend money to develop a car they have little chance of recovering their investment on? Last time I heard, BMW was a profit seeking firm, not a charity organization.
Seriously, you're a dense muppet.
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Did someone say "Nobel laureates"?
After what's happened over the last few years, toilet paper is much more valuable and significant than a Nobel peace prize.
Damn socialist award.
btw I'd buy a CSL M5 or M6 anytime. Yes BMW has disappointed but I somehow still love the marque.
Granted I'm having a built TT S85 (just want the insane hp) but I truly love a NA motor. Hence having a GT3RS and not a 997TT or GT2.
Did someone say "Nobel laureates"?
After what's happened over the last few years, toilet paper is much more valuable and significant than a Nobel peace prize.
Yeah because someone like you knows exactly how much research and effort goes into understanding something as intricate as parity non-conservation of the weak nuclear force, right?
Stick to bragging about how awesomely "cool" the turbos in your M5 are in every thread you grace with your asinine presence.
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Yeah because someone like you knows exactly how much research and effort goes into understanding something as intricate as parity non-conservation of the weak nuclear force, right?
Stick to bragging about how awesomely "cool" the turbos in your M5 are in every thread you grace with your asinine presence.
Asinine huh buddy, you are a riot
I'm laughing. Any day you want to count years of post graduate education!!
I know I know I just barely made it out of high school and I survived Vietnam. Then I got an education that an A$$ like you could not comprehend. You speak like a liberal elitist. You believe you are smarter than others. Take a hike.
Yes after the Nobel goes to POS's like Obama, Carter, Gore and terrorist, yeah the award is toilet paper.
You don't like it well do bad. It's my opinion and it sticks.
Oh you're so smart.
btw how many postgraduate fellowships do you have? How many vascular reconstructions have you done?
25 years of interventional vascular radiology and body/musculoskeletal MRI since 1998.
Fuk this I'm done talking to you.
Oh yeah you are a genius. Us morons can not measure up to genius like you who sit in "class" with Nobel laureates.
Asinine huh buddy, you are a riot
I'm laughing. Any day you want to count years of post graduate education!!
I know I know I just barely made it out of high school and I survived Vietnam. Then I got an education that an A$$ like you could not comprehend. You speak like a liberal elitist. You believe you are smarter than others. Take a hike.
Yes after the Nobel goes to POS's like Obama, Carter, Gore and terrorist, yeah the award is toilet paper.
You don't like it well do bad. It's my opinion and it sticks.
Oh you're so smart.
btw how many postgraduate fellowships do you have? How many vascular reconstructions have you done?
25 years of interventional vascular radiology and body/musculoskeletal MRI since 1998.
Fuk this I'm done talking to you.
Oh yeah you are a genius. Us morons can not measure up to genius like you who sit in "class" with Nobel laureates.
Enjoy your genius status.
Airborne Ranger
Are you done? If it's not your M5 turbos, it's your "fellowships" and years of education that you're constantly harping on about. Hey man, kudos, you have achieved a lot in your life, maybe you can let everyone on a car message board know about 50 more times just to confirm. Honestly, it just makes you seem insecure, but maybe it's just me though.
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Hey song you're the one who brought up first that you sit in class with Nobel laureates to impress us how smart you are.
Buddy you started it so I had to jump in.
Fuk the education, all my life I've taken a shoot to the head or body so as to give two hits back.
Again you opened it up with your genius status. I only respond when someone calls me assinine as you did.
ARE WE CLEAR.
Hey song you're the one who brought up first that you sit in class with Nobel laureates to impress us how smart you are.
Buddy you started it so I had to jump in.
Fuk the education, all my life I've taken a shoot to the head or body so as to give two hits back.
Again you opened it up with your genius status. I only respond when someone calls me assinine as you did.
ARE WE CLEAR.
Ranger
Don't even bother getting caught up with this kid, I have a feeling throwing insults at members that actually own these cars and post content is going to catch up with him. He is complaining about BMW basing a CSL on the M5 which he would not even be able purchase anyway, whether they built it or not. You can figure that out without even being a Nobel laureate... or basking in the presence of one
I feel like I'm trying to explain to my 1 year old why water is wet.
Seriously, why would BMW spend money to develop a car they have little chance of recovering their investment on? Last time I heard, BMW was a profit seeking firm, not a charity organization.
Seriously, you're a dense muppet.
Why would BMW spend money to develop this? Uh, did you miss it when BMW explained that they built this to honor the 25th anniversary of the M5? Wow, just wow, how many times does it have to be said this type of vehicle is not strictly a money making venture? It means far more than that.
He is complaining about BMW basing a CSL on the M5 which he would not even be able purchase anyway, whether they built it or not.
You know, the area I live in probably has around a dozen M5's. Why do you think I would not be able to purchase one, or is that just wishful thinking on your part?
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