dealer sold me salvaged turbo no disclosure

[nyc123]

I recently purchased a 1996, 993 Turbo with 2670 miles. I have driven the car less than 100 miles since it was delivered to me within the past few weeks. The car was advertised as follows, “This turbo has only been driven 2670 miles in the past 13 years ! It was special ordered in “paint to match “ Polar Silver with FULL black leather interior, sunroof, and “werks” center console. The first owner kept the car for three years driving it a little over 800 miles a year. He only drove it for pleasure, never in bad weather, always kept it garaged, and had all the scheduled service performed. Because of its great condition and exceptionally low miles the second owner purchased the car for his private collection with the intention of keeping the car just as it was and not adding any more miles. It has only been driven 500 miles in the past year and is in NEW condition.” I thought I found the perfect 993 TT I had been looking for. Unfortunately I found out 6 days ago that the car was involved in a bad accident in Virginia in 1998, was given a salvaged title, declared a total loss by the insurance company, and sold off to somebody else at the appropriate price considering the condition. I am not going to mention the name of the dealer here as there will be pending legal action against him, but it is a high-end dealer that routinely deals in exotics and classics. I have spent the past 6 days confirming the salvaged history with the Virginia DMV as well as the body shop that repaired the car over 10 years ago and speaking with multiple people that were familiar with the history of the car. I provided all this information along with 18 detailed photos showing all the signs that the car was not original to the selling dealer. My expectations and my request to the dealer was to return my funds, purchase price, shipping, and tax in return for his car back. The dealer has continued to refuse and has only pretended to tell me about “light accident history” before I bought the car. Considering I paid 2x the price of what a salvaged car would be worth and considering his ad above, I don’t think it takes Sherlock Holmes to figure out he is lying and concealed from me any damage other than a “scratch” he claimed was on the fender at the time of delivery and repaired by Porsche before the first owner would accept it. The car changed hands 1 time before this dealer bought it and because of some DMV issues ended up with a clean title before this dealer acquired it. I don’t want to debate here or make my case if the dealer was disclosed the salvage history because I want to save some issues for court, however the fact that the carfax shows it, the car if looked at shows it (and he claims to be an expert on Porsches) and he is now pretending to tell me about some accident history all has some clear implications that he is 100% full of ****. Only sticking to the facts above I would love to hear some feedback from some fellow enthusiasts as well as anybody with a legal background how everybody thinks this will play out in court. Thanks for your feedback in advance and everybody should take the time to use carfax in the future, I wish I had. (And yes a “werks” center console when translated from ******* to English means a phone kit where the owner removed the phone over time)

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[Tradical]

I am sorry to hear of this misfortune. The used car market is full of wrecked and repaired cars that are represented as pristine and immaculate. When it comes to buying used never believe anything said about condition or mileage. One must verify all aspects of the purchase with documented service records, carfax and a PPI with a reputable individual with the prospective buyer present. My personal motto is never ever buy a car sight unseen. One may get lucky once or twice, but you will get burned sooner or later.

[GT3 Chuck]

since this was a dealer....you have a good case of misrepresentation and intent to defraud...you need to talk to the DA in the dealers city, if he is a Porsche dealer then talk to PMNA and the dealer licensing bureau in the dealers state...it will take some time but you will have the last word

[spg993tt]

saw your posts elsewhere as well.
don't beat yourself up over it. yes, you should have used carfax but cheaters will find a way of cheating you sometimes no matter how hard you try.

im just still so shocked to hear that Bruce Canepa would do something so underhanded. that guy runs around acting like he has more money than third world countries. you speak to him, his stuff is always best of class and anything you own is second class. i wonder if thats why yesterday all ofa sudden a red 959 popped up for sale on fleabay. that rumon on rennlist that he was bankrupt , credit lines cut off that struck me as very odd , that is, until now.

well, i guess hard times change things for everyone. ultimately, though, there is no excuse for cheating and end of day he's going to have to deal with the fact that he acted in such a gross way.

if you need the cash, sell the car, take your loss and then battle the rest in court. keep us updated.

Originally Posted by nyc123

I recently purchased a 1996, 993 Turbo with 2670 miles. I have driven the car less than 100 miles since it was delivered to me within the past few weeks. The car was advertised as follows,
“This turbo has only been driven 2670 miles in the past 13 years ! It was special ordered in “paint to match “ Polar Silver with FULL black leather interior, sunroof, and “werks” center console. The first owner kept the car for three years driving it a little over 800 miles a year. He only drove it for pleasure, never in bad weather, always kept it garaged, and had all the scheduled service performed. Because of its great condition and exceptionally low miles the second owner purchased the car for his private collection with the intention of keeping the car just as it was and not adding any more miles. It has only been driven 500 miles in the past year and is in NEW condition.”
I thought I found the perfect 993 TT I had been looking for. Unfortunately I found out 6 days ago that the car was involved in a bad accident in Virginia in 1998, was given a salvaged title, declared a total loss by the insurance company, and sold off to somebody else at the appropriate price considering the condition. I am not going to mention the name of the dealer here as there will be pending legal action against him, but it is a high-end dealer that routinely deals in exotics and classics.
I have spent the past 6 days confirming the salvaged history with the Virginia DMV as well as the body shop that repaired the car over 10 years ago and speaking with multiple people that were familiar with the history of the car. I provided all this information along with 18 detailed photos showing all the signs that the car was not original to the selling dealer. My expectations and my request to the dealer was to return my funds, purchase price, shipping, and tax in return for his car back. The dealer has continued to refuse and has only pretended to tell me about “light accident history” before I bought the car. Considering I paid 2x the price of what a salvaged car would be worth and considering his ad above, I don’t think it takes Sherlock Holmes to figure out he is lying and concealed from me any damage other than a “scratch” he claimed was on the fender at the time of delivery and repaired by Porsche before the first owner would accept it.
The car changed hands 1 time before this dealer bought it and because of some DMV issues ended up with a clean title before this dealer acquired it. I don’t want to debate here or make my case if the dealer was disclosed the salvage history because I want to save some issues for court, however the fact that the carfax shows it, the car if looked at shows it (and he claims to be an expert on Porsches) and he is now pretending to tell me about some accident history all has some clear implications that he is 100% full of ****.
Only sticking to the facts above I would love to hear some feedback from some fellow enthusiasts as well as anybody with a legal background how everybody thinks this will play out in court. Thanks for your feedback in advance and everybody should take the time to use carfax in the future, I wish I had.
(And yes a “werks” center console when translated from ******* to English means a phone kit where the owner removed the phone over time)

[yrralis1]

This does not sound like an authorized Porsche dealership .
My next guess is that if they are independent , large ,successful, and have inventory of other classic cars .. then they know how to thwart legal problems well enough to feel bold enough to deflect your current efforts .

In short .. they screwed you and and don't seem too concerned - as described in your post .

You have choices -
1) get an attorney and go through all the steps and hope to recover your loss.
2) negotiate - select another car off their lot witout a salvage title and insist upon every dime of your money back towards an immediate swap . See if they bite .

[nyc123]

Oh this clown already offered to take the car back on trade towards among other things a 500,000 F40. Sure send him his car back and another $400k in cash . Has this guy lost his mind ! I would rather wipe my ass with 400 grand then send it to this guy. I just want my cash back not another chop shop special

[sprinty_rs4]

I'm not a lawyer but, it seems to me the conversation that will matter most is your discussion(s) with the dealer about whether the car had a clear title or not. Unfortunately, recourse is going to be challenging given the terms of most auto sales. I wish you the best in resolving this, the legal system is always an expensive process. I thank you for sharing your story, and it will help others from finding themselves in this situation.

[yrralis1]

Originally Posted by nyc123

Oh this clown already offered to take the car back on trade towards among other things a 500,000 F40. Sure send him his car back and another $400k in cash . Has this guy lost his mind ! I would rather wipe my ass with 400 grand then send it to this guy. I just want my cash back not another chop shop special

I can understand that sentiment completely. A swap would have to be in a car of equal price .

The problem -
You are financially exposed holding a depeciating car with a salvage title
BUT
They are exposed -- unless that contract has all the escape clauses (which it might)

You are right . You would win . Time is money .
An immediate resolve can diffuse a lot of drama fir both.

400K -they are insane
to sell you a salvage title - they are insane .

But they are not infallable .. and they are exposed . That's your leverage .
Pick yoir stength and know your weakness too . You did buy the car and that's their leverage .