Breaking SEMA News - New Brembo GT-R Brake Kits from Italy

[Fabryce@GMGRacing]

Originally Posted by GTDeux One more thing, how do you figure Stoptech STR calipers with its painted surface can compare to the heat tolerance and dissipation qualities of NICKEL PLATING? That comes straight from F1 and handguns, sir. Do some research before you post PLEASE! The Stoptech STR Caliper offers a heat treatment coating similar to what Brembo uses but equal in performance. And last I checked Brembo uses paint on there standard calipers just like Stoptech.. Thanks kind sir..

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[GTDeux]

Originally Posted by Fabryce@GMGRacing

Do some research before you post PLEASE!

The Stoptech STR Caliper offers a heat treatment coating similar to what Brembo uses but equal in performance.

And last I checked Brembo uses paint on there standard calipers just like Stoptech..

Thanks kind sir..

Do you not see the picture in the OP? That's nickel plating sir. Not heat treated paint!

[GTDeux]

Fabryce,

Do tell. Which teams in ALMS GT2, GT1, and LMP use Stoptech?

Why don't the Lizards use Stoptech?

How many teams running 24 hour races use Stoptech?

You're right that I don't view Stoptech as highly as Brembo. I have bought both before and until Stoptech at least gets a Porsche Motorsport part number, I'm sticking to Brembo, thanks. RT assures me that the GTRs are made in Italy, not TAIWAN.

[Fabryce@GMGRacing]

Originally Posted by GTDeux

Do you not see the picture in the OP? That's nickel plating sir. Not heat treated paint!

Never did I say that it was Nickel,If you would read my post and not get all bent out of shape you would see that.. Its clear you have choice of brakes and that fine.

You have your opinion and that's perfectly fine. But dont come on a forum and simply bash someones product because you feel powerful behind a key board. Base your posts on facts and nothing more this way we ALL benefit from your input.




Here are the Stoptech STR calipers that are as you say painted........Never did I state that they were painted......... You might want to re-read what I wrote originally.


Have a wonderful evening..

[jpvarghese]

Fabryce, you are the man! GTDeux, stop being a dick.

[GTDeux]

Who's getting bent out of shape? I have no horse in this race, unlike you, who has to sell this stuff for a living.

Because I feel powerful behind a keyboard?

Maybe you should disclose what your profit margin is on Stoptech versus Brembo and admit that you started pushing Stoptech for reasons that are not just about the products they offer. No one will look down upon GMG for that, it's part of the business, but to put Stoptech and Brembo at an equal level, I don't think people will buy it.

It's transparent to those in the know that you switched from being a huge Brembo supporter to Stoptech because of some sponsorship or subsidy deal that you made with Stoptech.

Like I said, I have no horse in this race, I just call it like I see it.

[Fabryce@GMGRacing]

Originally Posted by GTDeux

Who's getting bent out of shape? I have no horse in this race, unlike you, who has to sell this stuff for a living.

Because I feel powerful behind a keyboard?

Maybe you should disclose what your profit margin is on Stoptech versus Brembo and admit that you started pushing Stoptech for reasons that are not just about the products they offer. No one will look down upon GMG for that, it's part of the business, but to put Stoptech and Brembo at an equal level, I don't think people will buy it.

It's transparent to those in the know that you switched from being a huge Brembo supporter to Stoptech because of some sponsorship or subsidy deal that you made with Stoptech.

Like I said, I have no horse in this race, I just call it like I see it.

Wowo.. Down boy you sure know a lot about our business and discounts are you sure you aren't on Brembo's/RT's payroll LOLOL

Perhaps you should disclose who you are and not post under an alyias

If you knew so much you would realize that since we sell about the same in sales volume when it comes to Brembo and Stoptech our margins are almost the same on both..


Furthermore I did not come on this forum and try to SLAM Brembo it was never my intention. I simply posted based on facts and your posts are based on biased opinion.

So if anyone has motive I would say its you and not me.. Remember I sell and distribute both products or did you not realize that?

I post on this forum to educate the members and not post biased opinions without facts...... Perhaps its something you might try.


Ultimately you are the consumer and you have the final choice and its obvious you prefer one over the other..

Just out of curiosity what GT3 do you have 997.1 or 997.2?


Have a wonderful evening and the rest of your week


Cheers.

[Harold]

GMG, good comments.

I love my brembo's and money permitting will go with them. But it looks like Stoptech have a good product in the making as well!!

GTDeaux... I think that the fact that Brembo supplies to a car manufacturer does not necessarily mean it is the best. As you will be aware, car makers (yes even Porsche and Ferrari) are in the business of making money. Sometimes that means obtaining a compromise between cost and performance..... and Brembo with their large volumes is I am sure able to offer better pricing due to economies of scale....

So I think that you cant take the fact that they are original equipment on Porsche as an indication of a better product. Now, perhaps the fact that all the Formula One cars use them is something else. But again, based on sponsorship issues, support capabilities, etc, whilst Stoptech may be as good a product, due to their smaller size they are not (yet) up to the capabilities of providing tech support for F1 teams even though the product on a performance basis may actually be as good, and I imagine that this is exceptionally important for the F1 circus.

So I think we should not oversimplify based on these arguments and actually base our comments on real world first hand experiences... that will be far more valuable for us forum guys out here to try and figure out how best to spend our hard earned money. Just my 2 cents.... and GMG... congrats on the results!

Peace all!

[Harold]

Originally Posted by Fabryce@GMGRacing

Never did I say that it was Nickel,If you would read my post and not get all bent out of shape you would see that.. Its clear you have choice of brakes and that fine.

You have your opinion and that's perfectly fine. But dont come on a forum and simply bash someones product because you feel powerful behind a key board. Base your posts on facts and nothing more this way we ALL benefit from your input.




Here are the Stoptech STR calipers that are as you say painted........Never did I state that they were painted......... You might want to re-read what I wrote originally.


Have a wonderful evening..

hmmm..... yes..... they dont really look like they are painted... perhaps an apology is in order....

[GTDeux]

An apology, why? I was talking about the new nickel plating on the Brembo GT-R kit, not the Stoptechs.

Unless Nickel comes in different finishes, the STRs don't look nickel plated to me. Fabryce was the ones who mentioned high temp paint on "regular" calipers. But I digress...

Fabryce, I wish I was on RT's payroll. But really, it's the other way around, I happily pay them for their superior product! FYI, I have a 997.1 GT3, 997 GT2, 996 GT2, and have an incoming 997.2 RS.

Brembo's testing procedures are the most rigorous in the world for homologating their brake systems. This is a fact. No other brake company in the world has the resources to invest in the kind of equipment that they have in Italy. Don't believe me? Go visit the Brembo factory in Italy versus Stoptech's.

They are really the only ones that I can think of that test and homologate their systems like an OEM manufacturer, which probably explains why they have so many OEM contracts, not just Porsche. They are a BILLION EURO a year company that employs nearly 6,000 employees, 8% of whom are ENGINEERS and 6.5% of gross revenue goes back into R&D every year. Their science park in Italy where they do much of this research cost $365 million to build. Can you say the same about StopTech?

If you have to trust your life and safety to something as important as brakes, do you go with a small startup or a billion euro worldwide company that is trusted by most of the world's high-end auto manufacturers?

The big 3 in braking are considered to be Brembo, AP, and Alcon. Brembo also owns AP Racing!

Harold, your analysis regarding OEM contracts is interesting but naive. Do you actually think OEMs buy Brembo because of cost savings from economies of scale? Brembo is generally considered to be one of the most expensive, but you get what you pay for. As for F1, if StopTech truly created a system as good as Brembo, I'm sure one of the teams would step up and try them out. But alas, the only other systems you see are AP and Alcon.

Putting F1 aside, how many 24 hour teams run with StopTech and win?

It is true that Brembo is a little secretive about test data, but stay tuned, when I get access to it in a few months from my friends at Brembo, I will release (what I can legally) accordingly.

One of my experiences with StopTech is when I bought a Brembo GT (F50 style caliper) kit for my old M5 about 5 years ago. After a hard run through some canyon roads, my brakes worked flawlessly, while my poor friend with Stoptechs had burning pads! Needless to say, someone bought his barely used brakes for 30 cents on the dollar!

Taiwan may be a wonderful country for a lot of things, but racing brake systems are not yet one of those things. Perhaps all the ballers at GMG with all their money could give StopTech a billion dollar equity infusion so they have a chance at competing with Brembo and manufacturing somewhere outside of the Far East. One thing I will say though, those Stoptech guys are pretty good at knocking off Brembo designs and technology, good for them. Now those who are too cheap to buy Brembos have a lower cost knock off alternative. They do say imitation is the best form of flattery...

[TripleM]

My brief experience with StopTech is when I bought a set for my old M5 about 5 years ago. After a hard run through some canyon roads, my pads were on fire and I had some moderate fade while going downhill, while my friend with Brembo GTs (F50 style caliper) had no problems whatsoever. Needless to say, I sold my brakes the following week for 30 cents on the dollar.

I have used all sorts of main stream brands incl StopTech and I was never disappointed wif the product and after sales service.

50kms mileage wif ST-40 brake kit on my previous E46M3 incl 20 track days or so and the brakes were going strong..of course, had to use track pads for that matter. The street pads Axxis Ultimate supplied arent for track driving. The rotors were changed just once in between.

I do think highly of ST product. It can only get better from here, IMO.
It takes time for a relatively new entrant to make it big so time will tell.

The STR series, I believe, is another level from the ST series. Tempted to change someday if I go harder core for my trackday events but in the meantime, the OEM brakes on my Mk1.GT3 is good enough.

[drqiman@mac.com]

I am not as experienced as most of you in this forum but it seems to me that if Stoptech can provide close enough performance and durabilty to Brembo's GTR brakes at a significantly lower price then the Stoptech product is a good alternative for those of us that do street driving and track days but do not compete in organized racing. I have a GT3.1 and would like to upgrade my OEM steel brakes so this discussion is of interest to me.

Fabryce, could you comment on the weight differences between the OEM steel brakes for a 997 GT3.1 steel brakes and the Brembo GTR and the Stoptech STR 60 racing applicaton for Porsche?

While the arguments for Brembo's "superiority" are logical and reasonable, the proof is in the tasting of the pudding. GMG has done well this year in the races that they have entered. Did they do better if/when they were they used Brembo brakes? Just a simple question. I am a "little guy" in my industry but my work/product is equal or better than what the big billion dollar companies deliver.

[bob]

Originally Posted by jpvarghese

Fabryce, you are the man! GTDeux, stop being a dick.

Well said.... Fabryce - nicely written and objective.

[BRracing]

Originally Posted by drqiman@mac.com

I am not as experienced as most of you in this forum but it seems to me that if Stoptech can provide close enough performance and durabilty to Brembo's GTR brakes at a significantly lower price then the Stoptech product is a good alternative for those of us that do street driving and track days but do not compete in organized racing. I have a GT3.1 and would like to upgrade my OEM steel brakes so this discussion is of interest to me.

Fabryce, could you comment on the weight differences between the OEM steel brakes for a 997 GT3.1 steel brakes and the Brembo GTR and the Stoptech STR 60 racing applicaton for Porsche?

While the arguments for Brembo's "superiority" are logical and reasonable, the proof is in the tasting of the pudding. GMG has done well this year in the races that they have entered. Did they do better if/when they were they used Brembo brakes? Just a simple question. I am a "little guy" in my industry but my work/product is equal or better than what the big billion dollar companies deliver.

Just to let all know we actually have the weights broken down into the following for your fact knowledge brains...
Calipers
Rotors
Calipers and rotors and hardware

Since we were the first to recieve the STR kit for the 997.2 GT3 I will be happy to share with those our findings over the GTR series that Brembo has and why we chose one over the other. We worked hard with Stoptech, and GMG to develop a superior kit for the track enthusiast and while I am not biased on one manufacturer I would prefer for the facts to tell me what is the better choice and then post those for your review and choice.

We are at SEMA right now and I will be back in the office on Thursday morning and will do my best to post the info that has been requested, if anyone has any questions though please dont hesitate to PM us and we will do our best to fulfill your questions.
It seems as though brakes are a hot topic for this platform especially as we are all in the midst of a transition in technology and mfg from traditional and proven metal type solutions to carbon ceramic or straight carbon solutions, and we foresaw that and thus want to provide proven results over opinions as to what works for the two or three most common applications (aggressive street only, aggressive street and some track, and heavy track/race), and we also have no point to make, as we also directly sell Brembo and Stoptech systems.
Look forward to assisting those that we can.
Thanks

Robb

[CarGuy56]

it's all Vivid Racing's fault with this thread, haha j/k