Is Lexus crazy or what? Info on the new LFA.

[rvhpno80]

Here go some more... [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] this is not worth $375,000 U.S dollars..... no way, also they are making only 500, so that they can try and make it exclusive.

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[Guibo]

Originally Posted by rvhpno80

It is suppose to go up against the Porsche 997 turbo/gt2, Lamborghini Superleggera, & Ferrari 430 scuderia. The list price that they have advertise is $375,000 dollars, are they crazy or what... If you have any feedback on this one let me know.... they are saying the 911 is their main target..... what are your views please?

Where did you read that they are targeting the 911? If you think the Turbo/GT2 are as labor-intensive, as bespoke, and as exclusive as this, then maybe it's not Lexus who are crazy.

[rvhpno80]

Originally Posted by Guibo

Where did you read that they are targeting the 911? If you think the Turbo/GT2 are as labor-intensive, as bespoke, and as exclusive as this, then maybe it's not Lexus who are crazy.

, So you tell me that the GT2 isn't exclusive..... I'm confused, are you serious, I would take the gt2 over any lexus on the market period....from the low end up to this crafty machine....
p.s it looks like a nissan gt-r, which i rather drive......

[BGolden]

Glad I am not the only one who thinks this thing is blah. Even if it were 100K there are so many other cars that look soo much better and perform better. Total Fail on Lexus' part. Should have done something more supraish. IMO.

[snakebitten]

The technology and exclusivity is what makes Lexus feel they can get away with it. Lets face it there are people that will spend that kind of money to be exclusive even if the car isnt a looker or top sportscar name brand.

imho the car looks good from the rear and side. Its absolutely stupid looking from in front. That front end looks confused and everybit econocar-ish. Maybe its the Toyota roots showing. The old front, though wierd, was better than the production abomination. For 375k the better be a complete knockout. The looks are far from a knockout.

[keyser_soze]

I've retired from posting on Forums especially threads like this ---- so this is special - Stating some facts and my personal opinion:
You have left out weight.
Honestly I still can't understand why people care about 0-60 or 0-62mph times. Do people really still run each other from stoplight to stoplight? Which track people go to that makes you shut down once you reached the blistering speed of 60 mph?

The Toyota is going to walk the 911 TT; hard on top end - if you see one on the highway don't try to play.

I like the look of the LFA as well.

Can I aford it or going to buy one? No. But that doesn't stop me from appreciate and liking it.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by rvhpno80

For 2011, they are coming out with a long time awaited real sports coupe, not that sc 430 dinosaur. It is suppose to go up against the Porsche 997 turbo/gt2, Lamborghini Superleggera, & Ferrari 430 scuderia. The list price that they have advertise is $375,000 dollars, are they crazy or what... Ok let's get down to a little facts here:
0-62 mph
Lexus----------in 3.7
Porsche TT----in 3.2
hp
Lexus-----552hp
Porsche---500hp
torque
lexus----354lb-ft @6800
porsche---516 ib-ft @6000
drive
lexus-----rear wheel
Porsche--awd
engine
lexus-----v-10
porsche--f-6
looks
lexus----10
porsche--7
Lexus $375,000
Porsche $140,000
you do the math.....@#%&^*! ..... If you have any feedback on this one let me know.... they are saying the 911 is their main target..... what are your views please?

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[BD-]

Originally Posted by snakebitten

The technology and exclusivity

What technology? Please tell us. It's all I hear. All this technology but the F458 still beats it in every area. Power, torque, gearbox, direct injection, magneto shocks, more downforce, prefill brake callipers, fuel consumption, ram induction, tyre-wear sensors..... There's not a single damn thing the LFA has that's better. It's a waste of carbon fibre.

[rvhpno80]

Originally Posted by keyser_soze

I've retired from posting on Forums especially threads like this ---- so this is special - Stating some facts and my personal opinion:
You have left out weight.
Honestly I still can't understand why people care about 0-60 or 0-62mph times. Do people really still run each other from stoplight to stoplight? Which track people go to that makes you shut down once you reached the blistering speed of 60 mph?

The Toyota is going to walk the 911 TT; hard on top end - if you see one on the highway don't try to play.

I like the look of the LFA as well.

Can I aford it or going to buy one? No. But that doesn't stop me from appreciate and liking it.

Cheers.

Even though i disagree with some of the things you said, very well said though, We are all title to our opinions
P.S the weight is
Lexus 3263 lb vs Porsche GT2 3200 lb

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by rvhpno80

, So you tell me that the GT2 isn't exclusive..... I'm confused, are you serious, I would take the gt2 over any lexus on the market period....from the low end up to this crafty machine....
p.s it looks like a nissan gt-r, which i rather drive......

Where did I say the GT2 isn't exclusive?

I mentioned three things in my post:
Labor intensive: LFA body and tub are carbon, made in-house, with CF components woven in-house by Toyota-owned rotary loom
Bespoke: the tub, body, transmission, brakes, and engine are shared by no other vehicles. Interior components, apart from the sat-nav, are shared with no other vehicles. GT2 is built on an existing bodyshell and mechanicals, of which basically ~20,000 units were produced last year.
Exclusive: I said the LFA is all of the above, and exclusive. This says nothing about the GT2 being not exclusive. Last year, Porsche sold 194 GT2's in the US alone, and the production run isn't even over yet. Even with this off year in poor sales, Porsche has sold over the past 2 years in the US alone over 2600 Turbos and GT2's. Factor in all Porsche 911's which share a similar bodyshell and interior components and you're looking at 13000+ units in the US alone. Double that for a rough estimate of worldwide sales. Clearly, the LFA is a far more exclusive vehicle.

I mean, are you going to tell me that these interiors are fundamentally different and unique?




And it really looks nothing like a GT-R. The GT2, however, looks a lot like a standard Carrera both inside and out. One starts at $78K. Another at $194K.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by BD-

What technology? Please tell us. It's all I hear. All this technology but the F458 still beats it in every area. Power, torque, gearbox, direct injection, magneto shocks, more downforce, prefill brake callipers, fuel consumption, ram induction, tyre-wear sensors..... There's not a single damn thing the LFA has that's better. It's a waste of carbon fibre.

It doesn't beat the LFA in the core structure and most important component of the car: the CF tub and bodywork.
As for downforce numbers, don't put so much faith in them. Different wind tunnels can produce different results; look at the Nissan claimed aero and downforce tunnels compared to what Sport Auto found. Secondly, Ferrari had claimed that the 360 Modena produced 397 lb of downforce at 180 mph (reported in R&T). Yet the 360 Challenge Stradale which makes more downforce produced net lift of 6kg at 200 kph. F430 was supposed to have produced 300 lbs of downforce at 124 mph, yet Sport Auto found about 8kg of average lift at 124 mph.

The Zonda F is a waste of carbon fiber. A ZR1 has more power, more torque, magnetic shocks, HUD, sat-nav, multi-level stability control, etc., and it costs only 1/6th as much. What has the Zonda got besides carbon fiber and low production volume (oops, those are kind of big ones)?

[1SICKLEX]

Originally Posted by keyser_soze

I've retired from posting on Forums especially threads like this ---- so this is special - Stating some facts and my personal opinion:
You have left out weight.
Honestly I still can't understand why people care about 0-60 or 0-62mph times. Do people really still run each other from stoplight to stoplight? Which track people go to that makes you shut down once you reached the blistering speed of 60 mph?

The Toyota is going to walk the 911 TT; hard on top end - if you see one on the highway don't try to play.

I like the look of the LFA as well.

Can I aford it or going to buy one? No. But that doesn't stop me from appreciate and liking it.

Cheers.

lol....I almost stopped reading after "the 911 was targeted" when NOWHERE did Lexus mention the car...

There is no doubt the pricing is astronomical for a first time effort but again when you see how bespoke the car it, it makes sense.....

Sadly, its missing the badge to many people to warrant the price. Can I blame them? No.

[BD-]

Originally Posted by keyser_soze

The Toyota is going to walk the 911 TT; hard on top end - if you see one on the highway don't try to play.

Like you'll every see one on the highway.

[BD-]

Originally Posted by Guibo

It doesn't beat the LFA in the core structure and most important component of the car: the CF tub and bodywork.

How so? It's still as light (lighter than the Euro version of the LFA in fact). Must be some heavy CF. As I said, a waste of CF.

Originally Posted by Guibo

As for downforce numbers, don't put so much faith in them. Different wind tunnels can produce different results; look at the Nissan claimed aero and downforce tunnels compared to what Sport Auto found.

Don't believe Sport Auto measured downforce. The measured Cd was different because unknown to some people Cd varies with speed since normal drag is proportional to v^2 and downforce induced drag is proportional to v^4. And frankly I'd trust my arse more than Sport Auto.

And like Ferrari's wind tunnel is likely to be inaccurate after over half a century in F1. It also bemuses me that people compare the LFA to the Enzo. The Enzo produced 1709lbs of downforce at 186mph and 738lbs at 124mph. It also had active venturis that maintained downforce steady after 186mph before reducing it down to 1290lbs to allow for a higher top speed. It also had a faster gear change than the LFA even 6 years ago. It was also lighter, had more power and had way more torque. It was a 1 of 399. And that only cost £70k more than the LFA when new.

Just because Toyota were allowed to play with the CF machine it doesn't mean they made a brilliant car.

Originally Posted by Guibo

Secondly, Ferrari had claimed that the 360 Modena produced 397 lb of downforce at 180 mph (reported in R&T). Yet the 360 Challenge Stradale which makes more downforce produced net lift of 6kg at 200 kph. F430 was supposed to have produced 300 lbs of downforce at 124 mph, yet Sport Auto found about 8kg of average lift at 124 mph.

How strange that high speed cornering data doesn't back up their findings.

Originally Posted by Guibo

The Zonda F is a waste of carbon fiber. A ZR1 has more power, more torque, magnetic shocks, HUD, sat-nav, multi-level stability control, etc., and it costs only 1/6th as much. What has the Zonda got besides carbon fiber and low production volume (oops, those are kind of big ones)?

Unfortunately your argument is totally invalid as a Zonda F is 300kg lighter than a ZR1, thus demonstrating how CF is supposed to be used and the production version beats a ZR1 on track and in a straight line. It also has the bonus of being a 7.3 V12 with an interior that isn't snatched straight from a Vauxhall Astra. Nor does it have a stupid plastic bit on the bonnet just so that it looks different to a Z06.

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