approaching 100k miles
#1
approaching 100k miles
Just thought I would chime in and let you all know how life has been with my 2010 Panny Turbo. I use it as my DD. Let me start by saying this; the extended warranty is a must have. In order of most recent I had the following:
PSM Failure...covered...high priced item
Air box...not covered...it rusted but I use to live in the mountains of PA when I first purchased the car.
CV joints...covered...high priced item
dropped a cylinder...covered...high priced item
These have all occurred in the last 6 mos.
Before then under the original 50k warranty i think I may have had one issue but it was rock solid otherwise with the major systems. I've had the usual "campaign" related fixes that included new brake pads and software updates and hardware changes.
The hydraulic suspension is the only item that's giving me pause. I'm dreading the day that goes out. I'm considering a AAA extended warranty that will kick in at 100K miles but since this will no longer be my daily driver soon I'm debating. Hendrick Autoguard covers things the manufactures extended warranty doesn't. I highly recommend it.
Overall reliability I'd give the the car 7.5 out of 10. Fun to drive it's a 10. My wife's P85D is more fun. I'm patiently waiting on the Mission E to get some pay back!
PSM Failure...covered...high priced item
Air box...not covered...it rusted but I use to live in the mountains of PA when I first purchased the car.
CV joints...covered...high priced item
dropped a cylinder...covered...high priced item
These have all occurred in the last 6 mos.
Before then under the original 50k warranty i think I may have had one issue but it was rock solid otherwise with the major systems. I've had the usual "campaign" related fixes that included new brake pads and software updates and hardware changes.
The hydraulic suspension is the only item that's giving me pause. I'm dreading the day that goes out. I'm considering a AAA extended warranty that will kick in at 100K miles but since this will no longer be my daily driver soon I'm debating. Hendrick Autoguard covers things the manufactures extended warranty doesn't. I highly recommend it.
Overall reliability I'd give the the car 7.5 out of 10. Fun to drive it's a 10. My wife's P85D is more fun. I'm patiently waiting on the Mission E to get some pay back!
#2
3 major faults before 100k miles? That'd be a lot lower than 7.5 out of 10 by my standards, even if they were all covered by warranty. I'm too used to cars where I expect zero major faults before 100k.
#3
Zero faults before 100k miles, hmmm. In a Toyota or Honda maybe. In a high performance vehicle that's been driven hard since day 1 and based on other issue's that have been posted on this board. I have to say Porsche did a great job for it's 1st attempt.
#4
Wait, you think that's unreasonable? Why?
For the record, both Toyota and Honda did put out performance vehicles that could expect zero faults at 100k miles, and most of them are still on the road. Just because most performance car manufacturers can't manage that doesn't mean it's not possible - it just means they're not trying hard enough.
If you feel that 3 major faults this early is "good," I think that just means your standards are low.
For the record, both Toyota and Honda did put out performance vehicles that could expect zero faults at 100k miles, and most of them are still on the road. Just because most performance car manufacturers can't manage that doesn't mean it's not possible - it just means they're not trying hard enough.
If you feel that 3 major faults this early is "good," I think that just means your standards are low.
#5
Wait, you think that's unreasonable? Why?
For the record, both Toyota and Honda did put out performance vehicles that could expect zero faults at 100k miles, and most of them are still on the road. Just because most performance car manufacturers can't manage that doesn't mean it's not possible - it just means they're not trying hard enough.
If you feel that 3 major faults this early is "good," I think that just means your standards are low.
For the record, both Toyota and Honda did put out performance vehicles that could expect zero faults at 100k miles, and most of them are still on the road. Just because most performance car manufacturers can't manage that doesn't mean it's not possible - it just means they're not trying hard enough.
If you feel that 3 major faults this early is "good," I think that just means your standards are low.
For those of us that own a Panamera most have owned the other brands I just mentioned. From my point of view having owned a AMG's and M's that gave me headaches from date of purchase until I moved on to something else. This is a great 1st attempt at a 4 door luxury sedan and I would hope that the reliability would continue to improve. For the record every AMG I've owned from S63 & S65 have all dropped a cylinder at one time or another and that was before they reached 50,000 miles. And if memory serves I'm pretty sure most cars CV joints go out around 100,000 miles. I distinctly remember a Mazda and Nissan I had back I the day having that issue. I normally don't keep a DD longer than 24 months. So that shoukd tell anybody that knows me how much fun this car is to drive even 5 years later. BTW, what high performance luxury 4 door sedan does Honda or Toyota make, just curious?
#6
For the record, I drive a Panamera S e Hybrid. That's why I read this board. I've posted a few threads about my experiences with the car.
The cars I was alluding to were sports cars, not sports sedans. Specifically, the Toyota Supra Turbo MK IV, and the Acura NSX (which as I'm sure you know, is Honda).
Neither was all that fast by today's standards, but they were competitive when they were manufactured. Roughly on par with the base Carrera of the same time period, if not as prestigious.
I drove a Supra Turbo from '98 to 2014. Never had a problem with it, ever. Only service it ever needed was maintenance and the usual replaceables, like a new clutch. Sold it to a collector last year for $2k less than I paid for it.
The PSeH frankly outperforms it, despite the weight and size difference, or at least it does as long as it's in Sport or Sport+. It feels more planted in turns, and it feels like it pulls harder. I just wish the seating position and the visibility were more like my wife's Cayman S.
I worry about its reliability, though. I'm pretty sure it has a leak in the traction battery cooling system since I brought it in to get the battery controller replaced, and I just plain don't trust it right now. That's not an experience I'm familiar with.
#7
Just thought I would chime in and let you all know how life has been with my 2010 Panny Turbo. I use it as my DD. Let me start by saying this; the extended warranty is a must have. In order of most recent I had the following:
PSM Failure...covered...high priced item
Air box...not covered...it rusted but I use to live in the mountains of PA when I first purchased the car.
CV joints...covered...high priced item
dropped a cylinder...covered...high priced item
These have all occurred in the last 6 mos.
Before then under the original 50k warranty i think I may have had one issue but it was rock solid otherwise with the major systems. I've had the usual "campaign" related fixes that included new brake pads and software updates and hardware changes.
The hydraulic suspension is the only item that's giving me pause. I'm dreading the day that goes out. I'm considering a AAA extended warranty that will kick in at 100K miles but since this will no longer be my daily driver soon I'm debating. Hendrick Autoguard covers things the manufactures extended warranty doesn't. I highly recommend it.
Overall reliability I'd give the the car 7.5 out of 10. Fun to drive it's a 10. My wife's P85D is more fun. I'm patiently waiting on the Mission E to get some pay back!
PSM Failure...covered...high priced item
Air box...not covered...it rusted but I use to live in the mountains of PA when I first purchased the car.
CV joints...covered...high priced item
dropped a cylinder...covered...high priced item
These have all occurred in the last 6 mos.
Before then under the original 50k warranty i think I may have had one issue but it was rock solid otherwise with the major systems. I've had the usual "campaign" related fixes that included new brake pads and software updates and hardware changes.
The hydraulic suspension is the only item that's giving me pause. I'm dreading the day that goes out. I'm considering a AAA extended warranty that will kick in at 100K miles but since this will no longer be my daily driver soon I'm debating. Hendrick Autoguard covers things the manufactures extended warranty doesn't. I highly recommend it.
Overall reliability I'd give the the car 7.5 out of 10. Fun to drive it's a 10. My wife's P85D is more fun. I'm patiently waiting on the Mission E to get some pay back!
If you don't mind,
1- How much would each of those repairs cost out of pocket?
2 - If you had to guess, how much do you think it'd cost per year on average after warranty?
3- All in all, do you think it's worth keeping "till the wheels fall off"
Thanks so much!!
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#8
Thanks for sharing. I'm debating if I should keep my 2010 ptt when the warranty runs out.
If you don't mind,
1- How much would each of those repairs cost out of pocket?
2 - If you had to guess, how much do you think it'd cost per year on average after warranty?
3- All in all, do you think it's worth keeping "till the wheels fall off"
Thanks so much!!
If you don't mind,
1- How much would each of those repairs cost out of pocket?
2 - If you had to guess, how much do you think it'd cost per year on average after warranty?
3- All in all, do you think it's worth keeping "till the wheels fall off"
Thanks so much!!
2- I guess north of $1,500 per year conservative. Spark plugs cost me $700 out of pocket. I'd find a good off site Porsche specialist to do the preventive work. That's my plan anyway.
3- yes, I'm gonna drive it until the wheels fall off just because I've never kept a DD this long. My wife wants to start using it as her DD instead of the Tesla.
#9
1- I can't remember right off hand but the CV joints were $1,500+. The PSM failure was related to a bad differential and that was slightly over $2k. I don't remember the cost of the cylinder.
2- I guess north of $1,500 per year conservative. Spark plugs cost me $700 out of pocket. I'd find a good off site Porsche specialist to do the preventive work. That's my plan anyway.
3- yes, I'm gonna drive it until the wheels fall off just because I've never kept a DD this long. My wife wants to start using it as her DD instead of the Tesla.
2- I guess north of $1,500 per year conservative. Spark plugs cost me $700 out of pocket. I'd find a good off site Porsche specialist to do the preventive work. That's my plan anyway.
3- yes, I'm gonna drive it until the wheels fall off just because I've never kept a DD this long. My wife wants to start using it as her DD instead of the Tesla.
#10
Elaborate on what you mean by "drop a cylinder". Like a cylinder loosing compression? Cylinder head component failure? FWIW I own a 2006 MB E500 4matic wagon that has given me zero issues until last week actually when I changed the oil: oil level sending unit leaking. This is the first issue I have had and the car is at 156K miles and driven hard, daily, through rough winters, tons of weight in rear carrying engines and related hardware. Granted it's not an AMG but all the CV joints are original.
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