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Old 11-29-2009, 10:45 PM #1  
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NY Times Article on Rolex and Swiss Watches

I think this is an interesting article from the NY TIMES on the watch business as it now stands and Rolex.

Before buying a new Rolex I d read this.


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Rolex was king of the hill for so long and made so much profit.

Too bad they are hurting so badly now with the US economy.

I can't believe that a AD will discount any model 30% per the article.

I remember the days when there were no discounts on Rolex from ADs.

Lets hope things get better soon for everyone.

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At Rolex, a Year of Challenges
By NAZANIN LANKARANI, NY TIMES
Published: November 26, 2009
Heading into the end of a difficult year, in which it has confronted a sudden change of leadership and declining sales worldwide, Rolex, perhaps the most immediately recognized name in Swiss watchmaking, remains bullish about the future.

"Despite the present economic crisis, Rolex is actively preparing the recovery in a spirit of complete confidence," Bruno Meier, the recently appointed chief executive, said in September before a group of 200 guests invited to Bienne, Switzerland, for the laying of the foundation stone for a major new production plant.

By the time it is completed in 2012, the new building, entirely dedicated to movements, will add 230,000 cubic meters, or 8.1 million cubic feet, of new production space, as much again as the company’s existing facilities in the Geneva suburbs of Chêne-Bourg and Plan-les-Ouates.
Asked at that rare public appearance about the financial health of the company, Mr. Meier said, "Rolex has zero debt."

Given the culture of silence and secrecy for which Rolex is renowned, that response qualified as verbose.

When Mr. Meier was nominated by the board of the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation, the private charitable trust that controls Rolex, to replace the former chief executive, Patrick Heiniger, in December, company confidence appeared to be less high.

Mr. Heiniger, chief executive since 1992 and only the third Rolex chief executive since the company’s founding in 1905, left the company abruptly to pursue "personal interests."

Having succeeded his father André, who in turn had been at the helm of the company for 32 years, Mr. Heiniger was the public face of a business that was otherwise so private as to be impenetrable. His departure stunned the industry, and its timing, within a week of the arrest of Bernard L. Madoff, the New York asset manager now serving a 150-year jail sentence for fraud, provoked a torrent of speculation.

"Sources very close to the company say that Mr. Heiniger left because Rolex lost close to 1 billion Swiss francs," or $980 million, in the collapse of Mr. Madoff’s funds, said Osvaldo Patrizzi, chairman of Patrizzi & Co., an auction house specializing in timepieces.

Rolex has denied that it had any Madoff-related losses but has made no other comment. Requests to interview Mr. Meier or his management team for this article were refused.

Mr. Meier rose to the company’s top post after three years as its chief financial officer.

His rise has put in charge a former banker, ex-manager of the Geneva branch of Deutsche Bank and a member of the board of directors of the German stock exchange — a significant choice at a time when the outlook for the industry is as daunting as at any time since the quartz crisis of the 1970s.

According to information published in September by the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry, watch exports from Switzerland have slumped since the fourth quarter of 2008 to levels last seen in 2006.

Swiss customs data show that exports to the United States — once Switzerland’s biggest market and its second biggest behind Hong Kong in the past two years — dropped 42.3 percent by value in the first nine months this year compared to the same period a year earlier, to 1.02 billion francs from 1.8 billion.

"Through September this year, Switzerland exported 14 million timepieces, compared to 19 million for the same period last year," said Jean-Daniel Pasche, president of the watch industry federation, in an interview by telephone.

Against that background, analysts calculate that worldwide sales of Rolex are down probably by a third this year.

Jon Cox, a watch industry analyst in Zurich with Kepler Capital Markets, a European financial services company, estimated that annual sales at Rolex were between $3 billion and $4 billion. "This year, they are closer to $3 billion," he said.

Without the benefit of official figures, Mr. Cox’s estimates are based in part on data obtained from the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres, the Swiss institute responsible for testing Swiss-made chronometers. Not all Rolex watches are chronometers, but the institute’s certification information provides a basis for ballpark estimations.

According to Mr. Cox, Rolex is particularly vulnerable to the ailing U.S. luxury market and the weakness of the dollar.
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"A fourth of Rolex’s production is destined for the U.S., against an industry average of 15 percent," he said. "With the U.S. market down 50 percent, Rolex has been impacted more severely than other brands."

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Price increases imposed by Rolex since 2006 have added to the pressure on sales.
"Overall, 2008 was a disaster for both Rolex and the U.S. watch market," said Trent Crowley, president and chief executive of Astorlive, an online watch auctioneer based in Memphis, Tennessee that specializes in high-end wristwatches.
"Starting in 2007, Rolex put in substantial price increases, between 13 to 20 percent, that impacted middle- to upper middle-class clients already squeezed in the recession," said Mr. Crowley, who has worked closely with watch retailers since 1980.
According to Mr. Crowley, the retail price of a Rolex Steel Submariner, a best seller, went from $5,175 in October 2006 to $6,000 today, without retailers getting any part of the increase.
"Rolex has a 40 percent retail markup. Today, you can buy any Rolex watch at a 30 percent discount. The retail margin has been hammered," he said.
One consequence is that some overstocked dealers have ended their relationship with the company. "Many retailers dropped Rolex voluntarily. They were sitting on excess inventory they could not move," Mr. Crowley said. "This year, they are still selling 2008 stock. And inventory keeps pouring into the U.S. despite a weak dollar, a sign that European markets are in even worse shape."
At best, analysts expect the U.S. watch market to stabilize next year, with retailers remaining reluctant to restock.
"The U.S. market is showing signs of hitting bottom," said Mr. Cox, of Kepler. "Next year will likely be flat. We do not expect a 50 percent recovery to make up for recent losses."
On the bright side, Hong Kong and other Asian markets, which were the first to collapse, are starting to recover.
According to the industry federation’s figures, exports to Hong Kong dropped 24.7 percent in the first nine months compared with the period a year earlier. But Mr. Pasche, of the watch industry federation, said "we are hearing from certain brands that exports to Asia should improve by year-end."
Mr. Cox agreed. "Asia, which receives 30 percent of Swiss production, has picked up and is expected to turn positive by year-end," he said.
Mr. Crowley, who has an important customer base in Asia, went further. "Hong Kong, Shanghai and Singapore are emerging very aggressively," he said.
"Rolex is pushing product in those markets," he added: "But the question is, ‘is it sustainable?"’
While global markets slowly regain strength, Rolex may have to wait a few years before it sees a return on the domestic investment in its production apparatus, like the new Bienne facility. Still, that may not matter too much.
"Rolex, like many other Swiss watchmakers, has been renovating in the past few years," Mr. Cox said. "In terms of profitably, their operating margin is 25 percent so those expenses would not hurt them very much."
The company’s investment in Mr. Meier may already be paying off, at least in terms of its relations with the rest of the industry. "Under new management, Rolex has made a complete turnaround," Mr. Patrizzi said. "Before, the company treated the outside world as leeches looking to take advantage of its brand."
When in 2006, Mr. Patrizzi, then chairman of Antiquorum, the watch auction house he founded, organized the sale of the historically important Guido Mondani Rolex collection, a single-owner sale that fetched 11 million francs, he was confronted with Rolex’s indifference.
"We received no response from Rolex to requests for information about certain pieces. It was either a dry ‘niet’ or plain silence," Mr. Patrizzi said.
This spring, for the sale of the Davide Blei Rolex collection, a less noteworthy collection also auctioned by Mr. Patrizzi, Rolex showed a different face.
"Rolex managers came to see us and addressed our issues. Imagine our surprise," Mr. Patrizzi said. "The result of the management change is positive, even if it has happened at a time of global crisis. The image of Rolex has become more humane."
And through all the upheavals of market and management, Rolex has managed to preserve confidence in its quality.
"Rolex makes the best movements in the world," said Mr. Patrizzi, widely recognized as one of the world’s foremost horological experts.
"For every 10 clients interested in other brands, we have 50 looking for Rolex watches," Aurel Bacs, international co-head of Christie’s watch department, said from Geneva.
"Whether it is a sporty steel model or a fancy gold watch, Rolex is the hottest brand on a worldwide scale," Mr. Bacs said. "Collectors don’t care what is going on inside the company. They just love Rolex."

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“Through September this year, Switzerland exported 14 million timepieces, compared to 19 million for the same period last year,”

I had no idea that they made that many watches per year.
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As the article states this has been a secret operation for unteen years so no one knew much about what was going on.

I bet the numbers are mind boggling as far as profits and sales.

Maybe now with the changes in managment more will come to light on Rolex.


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I recently picked up a milgauss at 30% off, but the AD was going out of business and that was about the only reason they did that.
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Do you think Stryke would sell me this at 30% off?

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The notion that watch dealers and the industry is in the dumps is such nonsense and it is quite tiring hearing it. Those who have mismanaged their business and leveraged their inventory with bank money will always hurt in a slowdown. Those who are more conservative and own their inventory outright, have good cash flow and low overhead are fine. We are doing alot of business and have zero complaints about the environment. If anything, it helped to weed out the fly by night operations. The only complaint is our cost keeps going up on new inventory as watch prices are going up due to weak USD and lack of supply along with increased demand. I've been doing this 10 years, nothing I haven't seen before. Keeps it all fun, which after all is the main reason I do it.
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I read the article several times and I do respect the NY TIMES to an extend but I am not sure the facts are correct.

We have been cruising for a few months, all over the caribbean, and at each port with Rolex and Pannerai and IWC and AP stores I ask about prices and especially on Rolex its the caribbean price less 5% on steel and 10% on gold and never a SS Daytona for any price.

I dont know where an AD in business will sell all new Rolexes for 30% off.

The author makes it sound like anyone can get ANY Rolex for 30% off,, NO WAY.

Not sure what the purpose of the article was but it was an interesting take and provided some knowledge about Rolex.


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He has to make a living. I figured that to be his answer and it is his right. I just know if you don't at least ask the answer is no.
Sure he does. Just as real estate developers do. That doesn't change the fact, though, that the market has nose-dived and they're losing their A$$ES. Hard assets are selling at a fraction of their old prices. Just to be clear, I'm not knocking Stryke in any way. He can price his products wherever he wishes, and if he can sell them at that price, then good on him. I don't expect him to LOSE money on a deal for my benefit, BUT the market is what the market is. If the market price on something he's purchased dictates that he loses money, that's how it goes.

Just by way of comparison for you, I know of a BNIB white gold 40mm Daytona VERY similar to this one (don't know if it's a "panda"... I'd have to check the photos to verify that) available at a NEGOTIABLE asking price of $21K. Stryke has a similar but USED watch that he's asking almost $2K more for. Again, this isn't with the purpose of attacking Stryke, and I'm sure he can justify why his asking price is higher. This is purely to give a price comparison. But, if a virtually identical BNIB watch is offered at a lower price...

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