Demon LMAO
#31
07-24-2017, 01:18 PM
I dunno brother on OEM street tires (PZero N0's) the last time I tested I could only get my car to 2.4 seconds 0-60mph so based on Dodge's claim the Demon should beat me
#32
07-24-2017, 03:00 PM
I don't know why you keep bringing up RWD, front engine, etc. Who cares? Dodge is the one who said it's the quickest production car at 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. Ok let's see it go up against a car that can actually do 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.
Sorry I'm not into street racing of any sort. It's illegal and dangerous.
But I am into track and airstrip events. Demon's will show up to the airstrip, just like the Hellcats. I usually try to run only the high HP AWD cars and liter bikes but I'll make an exception here and ask one of the Demon's to run and I will get it on video.
Sorry I'm not into street racing of any sort. It's illegal and dangerous.
But I am into track and airstrip events. Demon's will show up to the airstrip, just like the Hellcats. I usually try to run only the high HP AWD cars and liter bikes but I'll make an exception here and ask one of the Demon's to run and I will get it on video.
It traps as high as 140mph. Just like a 675LT will take a 991TTS, so will the Demon. It's simple physics.
#33
07-24-2017, 03:32 PM
Why would I want to drag race an ACR Viper? Dodge never said the Viper ACR was the quickest production car of all time. But Dodge did say the Demon was.
"Oh but wait there's a caveat...it will only go 2.3 seconds on a drag strip only specifically prepped by Dodge employees with exactly 0.342 gallons of VHT poured on the launch pad and heated to 162.8 deg F by a blow torch with the tires heated on a burnout of no less than 9.5 seconds oh and DA must be at least negative 1,000 feet"
That's what they should have said. Because that's the only way it could achieve these results. But they didn't. And that's the problem here. Dodge being completely disingenuous.
#34
07-24-2017, 04:02 PM
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Why would I want to drag race an ACR Viper? Dodge never said the Viper ACR was the quickest production car of all time. But Dodge did say the Demon was.
"Oh but wait there's a caveat...it will only go 2.3 seconds on a drag strip only specifically prepped by Dodge employees with exactly 0.342 gallons of VHT poured on the launch pad and heated to 162.8 deg F by a blow torch with the tires heated on a burnout of no less than 9.5 seconds oh and DA must be at least negative 1,000 feet"
That's what they should have said. Because that's the only way it could achieve these results. But they didn't. And that's the problem here. Dodge being completely disingenuous.
"Oh but wait there's a caveat...it will only go 2.3 seconds on a drag strip only specifically prepped by Dodge employees with exactly 0.342 gallons of VHT poured on the launch pad and heated to 162.8 deg F by a blow torch with the tires heated on a burnout of no less than 9.5 seconds oh and DA must be at least negative 1,000 feet"
That's what they should have said. Because that's the only way it could achieve these results. But they didn't. And that's the problem here. Dodge being completely disingenuous.
Last edited by 1Gunner; 07-24-2017 at 04:04 PM.
#35
07-24-2017, 04:36 PM
#36
07-24-2017, 05:01 PM
Why would I want to drag race an ACR Viper? Dodge never said the Viper ACR was the quickest production car of all time. But Dodge did say the Demon was.
"Oh but wait there's a caveat...it will only go 2.3 seconds on a drag strip only specifically prepped by Dodge employees with exactly 0.342 gallons of VHT poured on the launch pad and heated to 162.8 deg F by a blow torch with the tires heated on a burnout of no less than 9.5 seconds oh and DA must be at least negative 1,000 feet"
That's what they should have said. Because that's the only way it could achieve these results. But they didn't. And that's the problem here. Dodge being completely disingenuous.
"Oh but wait there's a caveat...it will only go 2.3 seconds on a drag strip only specifically prepped by Dodge employees with exactly 0.342 gallons of VHT poured on the launch pad and heated to 162.8 deg F by a blow torch with the tires heated on a burnout of no less than 9.5 seconds oh and DA must be at least negative 1,000 feet"
That's what they should have said. Because that's the only way it could achieve these results. But they didn't. And that's the problem here. Dodge being completely disingenuous.
I'll repeat conditions for you, ""Dodge fitted pizza-cutter front tires, drag racing slicks, ran it at 147 feet above sea level at 8:34 p.m. with a 40-degree ambient temperature on a fully prepared surface, and used 100-octane fuel"
Should Dodge have instead used a dusty track on a 90 degree day to set a record? Then they would be accused of sandbagging, poor marketing, factory driver sucks, blah blah blah.
Do you prep your car to run the best possible time?
Dodge completely disclosed the conditions and anyone with drag racing experience should know there is prep involved and the DA makes a difference and isn't upset about it.
What is the C7 Z06 best time? 10.42 @ 133mph? That doesn't count either because the conditions were ideal and the surface was prepped?
#37
07-24-2017, 07:41 PM
The car is a bad *** beast, whether you like it or not. Chances are you won't encounter one on the streets as most of them will end up in a collection of special cars anyways. You can get it to go as fast and quick as Dodge claims when you learn how to do it, I bet it will be lots of fun getting there.
It is really ok for a car to be quicker than a 911 Turbo S, it doesn't mean the 911 is slow or a lesser car, hell no ! Most starts, the 911 will take the Demon in a drag race as it is much easier to launch.
Cheers !
It is really ok for a car to be quicker than a 911 Turbo S, it doesn't mean the 911 is slow or a lesser car, hell no ! Most starts, the 911 will take the Demon in a drag race as it is much easier to launch.
Cheers !
#38
07-24-2017, 07:48 PM
Yes I meant sub 10s. I have yet to see a hellcat trap under 130. Demon should trap high 130s if not low 140s that's more than enough for 9s with the proper suspension tune and it's fully adjustable a good driver is key too obviously.
#39
07-25-2017, 01:06 PM
Yes they did. They said its the quickest production car of all time at 14 tracks. Is that disingenuous because they used a pro driver?
I'll repeat conditions for you, ""Dodge fitted pizza-cutter front tires, drag racing slicks, ran it at 147 feet above sea level at 8:34 p.m. with a 40-degree ambient temperature on a fully prepared surface, and used 100-octane fuel"
Should Dodge have instead used a dusty track on a 90 degree day to set a record? Then they would be accused of sandbagging, poor marketing, factory driver sucks, blah blah blah.
Do you prep your car to run the best possible time?
Dodge completely disclosed the conditions and anyone with drag racing experience should know there is prep involved and the DA makes a difference and isn't upset about it.
What is the C7 Z06 best time? 10.42 @ 133mph? That doesn't count either because the conditions were ideal and the surface was prepped?
I'll repeat conditions for you, ""Dodge fitted pizza-cutter front tires, drag racing slicks, ran it at 147 feet above sea level at 8:34 p.m. with a 40-degree ambient temperature on a fully prepared surface, and used 100-octane fuel"
Should Dodge have instead used a dusty track on a 90 degree day to set a record? Then they would be accused of sandbagging, poor marketing, factory driver sucks, blah blah blah.
Do you prep your car to run the best possible time?
Dodge completely disclosed the conditions and anyone with drag racing experience should know there is prep involved and the DA makes a difference and isn't upset about it.
What is the C7 Z06 best time? 10.42 @ 133mph? That doesn't count either because the conditions were ideal and the surface was prepped?
Question: The Demon is a street car right? So what are the performance figures for street configuration? That's right we don't know because Dodge announced 0-60 in 2.3 and 1/4 mile in 9.65 and then said "this is the quickest street car in the world". But tested it only on a prepped drag strip. Isn't that disingenuous? All other cars are tested in street conditions. And then verified by the mags using instrument testing on street-like conditions.
So far we have 11.0 from one independent source. And that was done on a drag strip. How much slower will it be on the street when the independent mags get it?
#40
07-25-2017, 02:25 PM
Question: The Demon is a street car right? So what are the performance figures for street configuration? That's right we don't know because Dodge announced 0-60 in 2.3 and 1/4 mile in 9.65 and then said "this is the quickest street car in the world". But tested it only on a prepped drag strip. Isn't that disingenuous? All other cars are tested in street conditions. And then verified by the mags using instrument testing on street-like conditions.
So far we have 11.0 from one independent source. And that was done on a drag strip. How much slower will it be on the street when the independent mags get it?
So far we have 11.0 from one independent source. And that was done on a drag strip. How much slower will it be on the street when the independent mags get it?
You could argue in street legal tune, 808hp is more fair and that's where Dodge states 9.90. Or street legal tune with the front tires equipped with the 315 DRs from the showroom floor. But why would acceleration times be exempt from ideal conditions when road circuit times are not?
Your last statement though, wow. Hellcat owners with 101hp less have been running low 11s on stock tires and high 10s with drag radials/slicks. It goes to say that a lighter car, with a drag prep cooling equipment, suspension and tires optimized for a launch, more power, more aggressive gearing, transbrake and line lock will be running 10s, regularly.
The hot conditions, and frankly inexperienced (at drag racing) media members were reported in the 10s. And I don't know if they had the skinnys and race tune or not but traction was the problem.
Dodge is the only manufacturer selling a car with adjustable launch rpm and equipped with drag radials, add the fact slicks were reportedly used, how many street cars could handle and optimize that type of testing? Dodge built the car specifically to handle it, no one else does. For the cars that come close, they tend to be AWD which shares load on the powertrain and how many LC settings are adjustable?
#41
07-25-2017, 02:58 PM
Dodge said 9.90 in street trim and it's a street legal production car under warranty, so no, I'd say its spot-on.
You could argue in street legal tune, 808hp is more fair and that's where Dodge states 9.90. Or street legal tune with the front tires equipped with the 315 DRs from the showroom floor. But why would acceleration times be exempt from ideal conditions when road circuit times are not?
Your last statement though, wow. Hellcat owners with 101hp less have been running low 11s on stock tires and high 10s with drag radials/slicks. It goes to say that a lighter car, with a drag prep cooling equipment, suspension and tires optimized for a launch, more power, more aggressive gearing, transbrake and line lock will be running 10s, regularly.
The hot conditions, and frankly inexperienced (at drag racing) media members were reported in the 10s. And I don't know if they had the skinnys and race tune or not but traction was the problem.
Dodge is the only manufacturer selling a car with adjustable launch rpm and equipped with drag radials, add the fact slicks were reportedly used, how many street cars could handle and optimize that type of testing? Dodge built the car specifically to handle it, no one else does. For the cars that come close, they tend to be AWD which shares load on the powertrain and how many LC settings are adjustable?
You could argue in street legal tune, 808hp is more fair and that's where Dodge states 9.90. Or street legal tune with the front tires equipped with the 315 DRs from the showroom floor. But why would acceleration times be exempt from ideal conditions when road circuit times are not?
Your last statement though, wow. Hellcat owners with 101hp less have been running low 11s on stock tires and high 10s with drag radials/slicks. It goes to say that a lighter car, with a drag prep cooling equipment, suspension and tires optimized for a launch, more power, more aggressive gearing, transbrake and line lock will be running 10s, regularly.
The hot conditions, and frankly inexperienced (at drag racing) media members were reported in the 10s. And I don't know if they had the skinnys and race tune or not but traction was the problem.
Dodge is the only manufacturer selling a car with adjustable launch rpm and equipped with drag radials, add the fact slicks were reportedly used, how many street cars could handle and optimize that type of testing? Dodge built the car specifically to handle it, no one else does. For the cars that come close, they tend to be AWD which shares load on the powertrain and how many LC settings are adjustable?
So now you are saying the inexperienced "Automotive Journalists" are to blame
hilar ious just made my day.
#42
07-25-2017, 04:05 PM
And only time will tell whether the car will hold together http://www.hellcat.org/threads/hellc...n-issues.2502/
What good is a warranty on an under engineered race car that is in the shop more often than the road/track ?
Yes call me skeptical but if it walks the walk and holds together kudos are certainly due and I'll have a glass of Pinot with my pie
What good is a warranty on an under engineered race car that is in the shop more often than the road/track ?
Yes call me skeptical but if it walks the walk and holds together kudos are certainly due and I'll have a glass of Pinot with my pie
Last edited by Nanook; 07-25-2017 at 04:13 PM.
#43
07-26-2017, 07:59 AM
The big magazine journalits have NO drag racing experience. For years I've told them to measure the 60ft and R&T only started a little while ago. None of them operated a transbrake before, no other car has drag radials, and nothing they have launched has had this much horsepower without a DCT, AWD or mid engine.
If you bothered to read any of the reports, some only got 3 runs and they either bogged it or smoked the tires. My guess is none of them (except of course Hot Rod Magazine if they were even there) have done any drag racing on the side and played with tire pressures for optimal 60fts. Let alone cool down procedures, etc. Why do you think owners beat their times?
So yeah, I'd say they were inexperienced and the car takes practice.
#44
07-26-2017, 08:29 AM
Originally Posted by Deuuuce
EXACTLY correct. Shows how much you know.
The big magazine journalits have NO drag racing experience. For years I've told them to measure the 60ft and R&T only started a little while ago. None of them operated a transbrake before, no other car has drag radials, and nothing they have launched has had this much horsepower without a DCT, AWD or mid engine.
If you bothered to read any of the reports, some only got 3 runs and they either bogged it or smoked the tires. My guess is none of them (except of course Hot Rod Magazine if they were even there) have done any drag racing on the side and played with tire pressures for optimal 60fts. Let alone cool down procedures, etc. Why do you think owners beat their times?
So yeah, I'd say they were inexperienced and the car takes practice.
The big magazine journalits have NO drag racing experience. For years I've told them to measure the 60ft and R&T only started a little while ago. None of them operated a transbrake before, no other car has drag radials, and nothing they have launched has had this much horsepower without a DCT, AWD or mid engine.
If you bothered to read any of the reports, some only got 3 runs and they either bogged it or smoked the tires. My guess is none of them (except of course Hot Rod Magazine if they were even there) have done any drag racing on the side and played with tire pressures for optimal 60fts. Let alone cool down procedures, etc. Why do you think owners beat their times?
So yeah, I'd say they were inexperienced and the car takes practice.
Usually I will not race anything other that the heavily modded GTRs, 911 Turbos, 918's TT AWD Lambos and bikes because racing other cars is pointless, particular any RWD cars. They have no chance.
Here's a last event attended by my now sold 997.2 Turbo S which puts up similar numbers as my 991 Turbo S. The 997.2 made 600 wheel and my 991 makes 650 but is heavier.