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Old Sep 24, 2011 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by catchmyshadow
great decision BUT why no PDK option on the next GT3 (together with the 7-speed)?
Great question ... Porsche ought to answer it !!!

After all -- whose going to spend alll that money on an expensive option when it's not good enough for the Gt3 ?
Or is it just too cost ineffective to warranty under track driving conditions ?
Or are they going to build it two years from now and cream resale on the manual gt3 991?
Or are we going to get the real answer ?

In fact what dos this mean for PDK .. even now ?
PS. I just felt the resale value on my current PDK car take a jolt of sorts .

looking ahead --I wonder if the Gt2 will have it .
 
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Don't forget who's in charge of things now... VOLKSWAGEN.
And that's no good. In the future we will see platform sharing in the VW empire (taking things from Porsche), like the Panamera will be shared with VW according to what I read. Also rushed production of new models (something Porsche by itself would never do, and sacrifice an under-engineered product).

Porsche = make beautiful sports cars.
VW = make $$$ by volume, and then more $$$ by saving up on things and replacing what was once metal with plastic (like in our American cars).

Just to give an idea:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...rsche-car_news

VW bosses say they want to DOUBLE Porsche sales annually (from 75,000 to 150,000 cars). There are no many ways to do that without destroying things along the way in a company like Porsche.
 
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Originally Posted by catchmyshadow
so we`ll see no additional campaign with "save the manuals" from you then, well, i can live with that...
The only campaign that I am working on is keeping 997 prices up and 991 prices down.

dallascajun knows what it is all about.
 
Old Sep 25, 2011 | 06:13 AM
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The only campaign that I am working on is keeping 997 prices up and 991 prices down.

dallascajun knows what it is all about.
good stuff! who wants a 991 anyway?
 
Old Sep 25, 2011 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
Great question ... Porsche ought to answer it !!!

After all -- whose going to spend alll that money on an expensive option when it's not good enough for the Gt3 ?
Or is it just too cost ineffective to warranty under track driving conditions ?
Or are they going to build it two years from now and cream resale on the manual gt3 991?
Or are we going to get the real answer ?

In fact what dos this mean for PDK .. even now ?
PS. I just felt the resale value on my current PDK car take a jolt of sorts .

looking ahead --I wonder if the Gt2 will have it .
PDK is very successful and more and more customers will ask for the combination of GT cars and PDK.
At some point they will have no choice to either deliver or answer those questions.
 
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Interesting side note:

I'm surprised that no one pointed out that Muller claims the 997 targa wasn't really a targa...interesting...
 
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Interesting side note:

I'm surprised that no one pointed out that Muller claims the 997 targa wasn't really a targa...interesting...
cool! so rumors about a comeback of the old school Targa look are hopefully true.
 
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70 pounds in a performance car is huge! I did not know the PDK system weighed that much more. It surprises me that giving up that much weight could actually equate to a faster lap time with PDK?! It's hard to believe.
 
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Originally Posted by uhn2000
Refreshing to see Porsche staying true to MT..
glad to see there are still some true 6 speeders out there....
 
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 12:48 PM
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Porsche has just got to bring the Panamera in MT.. I need a 4 door sedan next year and while I love the new M5 something is just not jiving for my heart yet - no idea why. I think its just too bland and does not stir me the way the Panamera does!

I will post the EVO review of the Panamera S - incredible!
 
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Originally Posted by uhn2000
Porsche has just got to bring the Panamera in MT.. I need a 4 door sedan next year
Sorry man, but I seriously doubt Porsche will bring a manual Panamera to North America. Their statistics department has the final word. It won't be profitable due to a small margin in the market that actually wants a manual Panamera.
 
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Bring a 6MT Turbo S, along with that 6MT Panamera...

Didn't think so. Do some here have short memory issues? Porsche has already not offered a 6MT as an option. But it's good to see marketing still blinds the masses.

It's like Chevy saying - we'll build cars with push rod motors and leaf springs as long as people keep asking for it... The brand loyal followers will praise them, and the competition will laugh hysterically.
 
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Gtr, I think the world is pretty one sided about leaf springs, they should remain in 19th century cattle cars... It's not the same as manual vs automatic.
 
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Originally Posted by catchmyshadow
The manual saves weight agreed, but the combination with PDK is def. the fastest round a track.
I mean the 991 carrera S, that posted the new 7:40 Carrera Ring record, was equipped with PDK.
Releasing the next GT3 without a manual would be blasphemy, but a 991GT3 without a PDK option would be a huge mistake imo.

Maybe Porsche is too worried that a standard GT3 with PDK could be too close to a PDK Turbo, while being significantly cheaper!
A PDK 991 gt3 will be no where near a PDK 991 turbo when the road goes straight. No bias here either as I have a .2 gt3 and plan to get a 991 gt3. A gt3 should and currently is faster on the Ring than a PDK turbo as well; as it should be.

Agreed, PDK is fastest around any track, but 4 seconds alone of that 7:40 came from PDCC according to Porsche. Maybe another 4 from the better chassis (certainly not an unreasonable estimation) and another 1 maybe 2 from DEM. If I were to guess PDK might gain 3 - 4 seconds at the Ring, just a guess.
 

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Originally Posted by shtfrbrains
70 pounds in a performance car is huge! I did not know the PDK system weighed that much more. It surprises me that giving up that much weight could actually equate to a faster lap time with PDK?! It's hard to believe.
I don't believe Porsche thinks so either. It just comes down to weight and chassis dynamics, according to Porsche's Mr P, iircc.
 


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