Isn't it a characteristic (albeit an annoying one) of the variocam in which case not likely to be fixable.
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The Ss do have variable intake geometry which may be malfunctioning. I'd definitely have the dealer put it on the scope.
ChuckJ |
Base built 4/12 with chrono package. Glad to report silky smooth all the way in either auto or manual in normal, sport, and sport plus. No hesitation of any kind.
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the last PDK update I had a month ago from dealer resolved that issue for me. don't even bother asking me how or why:confused:
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Originally Posted by trysixty
(Post 3903520)
the last PDK update I had a month ago from dealer resolved that issue for me. don't even bother asking me how or why:confused:
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Originally Posted by mtony
(Post 3903541)
I had a PDK "update" a month ago and it did nothing to improve this issue. Are you saying that you had this issue and now it's gone? Please provide some more information!
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Hey folks.
Just checking in to see if anyone has found a definitive solution to this extremely annoying problem. Thx |
I have almost 8k mi on my 2013 C4S with PDK, and I have not observed any hesitation with any gear at any rpm. Doesn't sound like it's a normal PDK behavior. Hope there is a solution for it; sounds annoying.
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Originally Posted by mtony
(Post 3839165)
Mine does it warm or cold. Felt mostly in 2nd and 3rd gears but I can get it to do it in any gear if I accelerate briskly from very low RPMs (not quite lugging the engine, but close).
Mine is a '12 997.2 C4S. I only use Shell 93. I drive the car really hard all the time to avoid it, but sometimes it happens. It really detracts from my enjoyment of the car. I suspect that most 997s and 991s do it. Those owners that testified to not having this problem, might be driving the car in auto (without activating the "sport" function) so the car hardly ever reaches 3k rpm. Just my .2 |
"The hesitation I was experiencing when opening the throttle at around 2000rpm seems to have been down to lambda sensors. It took a local Porsche specialist with 20 years Porsche motorsport experience and a full factory PIWIS (with full Porsche Technical backup) the best part of 2 hours to find what was happening. No fault codes, just an aged and slightly out-of-calibration sensor.
Replacing both pre-cat lambdas solved the issue. As an aside, I'm rapidly starting to learn that these cars don't throw fault codes until something very major is wrong. Sensors (especially MAF/Lambdas) can be far enough away from spec to have the car running like a dog, but without throwing a code. Cursory use of the PIWIS just to look for fault codes will not find the majority of issues that can cause the cars to run less then optimally. The PIWIS is capable of reading every conceivable operating parameter in real time, but without someone who REALLY understands engines (mechanically) and the DME systems (in real depth) to interpret what they're seeing, most faults will never be found" __________________ The post above was made in another thread by Ian_UK1 some years ago (his car is a '10 997.2 C2S). From what I understand in his post, the problem was solved by changing the pre-cat lambda sensors. My service tech would not even consider doing this to my car without a code. Maybe somebody with a good relation with his service tech can have this done and report back? |
Originally Posted by MMK110464
(Post 3964504)
+1
Mine is a '12 997.2 C4S. I only use Shell 93. I drive the car really hard all the time to avoid it, but sometimes it happens. It really detracts from my enjoyment of the car. I suspect that most 997s and 991s do it. Those owners that testified to not having this problem, might be driving the car in auto (without activating the "sport" function) so the car hardly ever reaches 3k rpm. Just my .2 |
I'd pay for the damn parts myself if that fixed the problem.
If you let the revs drop to 2k out of 1st gear and gradually accelerate in 2nd gear to ~3k rpm, you'd have to be in a coma not to feel the dead patch and subsequent jerk at 2500rpm. Unfortunately we don't all want to drive really hard all the time to avoid this "characteristic" (especially with a cold engine or in school zones). And because their flawed product doesn't throw a code we are forced to live with this "feature". Porsche seem to have difficulty acknowledging obvious and wide scale issues such as stalling, engines dying and not restarting, design flaws in the C4S fuel tank, hesitation etc. But to tell your customer that the lack of an error code means that it's probably a feature, is asinine to say the least... |
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Originally Posted by mtony
(Post 3964592)
I suspect that you are correct. If I drive my car in automatic, it is hard to reproduce the issue because it rarely reaches the RPMs in question. If I could make the car get to the RPMs in question, I would be too hard on the gas for the issue to occur.
I was thinking it was the variable intake in the S that was not working properly. Even the HP / Torque curves from working properly working engines are jerky and I'm sure if the servos are not working properly it would be even worse. Hopefully you guys can find a good dealer who can diagnose the problem. I sympathize with your problem; and if were happening to me, I would not put up with it. Hope you get if fixed. ChuckJ |
Using RON 91.5 (no ethanol mix) here.
Definitely no issue in any mode and any kind of driving from relaxed in normal mode to "hell is on fire" in Sport+. No hesitation - just "go" from any RPM. Rainier |
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