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Old Jun 16, 2013 | 06:42 PM
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We were at the Greenbrier last week and by luck, my dealer was participating in exotic demo rides for their guests. Instead of a 15 minute drive with them driving, they gave us the keys to a new California for the rest of the day. How could we pass that up My wife and I took turns and tore up the mountain roads without getting a speeding ticket.

The Ferrari is sure exciting to drive, sounds amazing and got more attention than I could ever imagine, even in West Virginia! The California is surprisingly civilized and more of a GT cruiser I would say.

Like others have said, the Porsche is obviously a better daily driver but the Ferrari was sure exciting and worthy of lust and admiration (it's no 458 tho
 
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by carcam
We were at the Greenbrier last week and by luck, my dealer was participating in exotic demo rides for their guests. Instead of a 15 minute drive with them driving, they gave us the keys to a new California for the rest of the day. How could we pass that up My wife and I took turns and tore up the mountain roads without getting a speeding ticket.

The Ferrari is sure exciting to drive, sounds amazing and got more attention than I could ever imagine, even in West Virginia! The California is surprisingly civilized and more of a GT cruiser I would say.

Like others have said, the Porsche is obviously a better daily driver but the Ferrari was sure exciting and worthy of lust and admiration (it's no 458 tho
The California does not count as a Ferrari, so this post is disqualified.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 08:33 AM
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The California does not count as a Ferrari, so this post is disqualified.
Yeah, sure, just as the Ferrari Dino didn't count as a real Ferrari when it was introduced with a V6 mid-engine, and now they routinely sell for $200K, being highly collectible and desirable Ferraris.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 09:01 AM
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Yeah, sure, just as the Ferrari Dino didn't count as a real Ferrari when it was introduced with a V6 mid-engine, and now they routinely sell for $200K, being highly collectible and desirable Ferraris.
I never said anything bad about the Dino...

But the California..., I mean - look at it! It disqualifies itself.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 09:17 AM
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Haha! You are so right!

Originally Posted by jaspergtr
I never said anything bad about the Dino...

But the California..., I mean - look at it! It disqualifies itself.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
I never said anything bad about the Dino...

But the California..., I mean - look at it! It disqualifies itself.
I guess coming from someone who digs the looks of a Nissan, it's understandable that you have no aesthetic sensibilities. I know I shouldn't respond to trolls - it just encourages them - so I'll stop now before lowering myself any further.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SanibelSpeed

I guess coming from someone who digs the looks of a Nissan, it's understandable that you have no aesthetic sensibilities. I know I shouldn't respond to trolls - it just encourages them - so I'll stop now before lowering myself any further.
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 09:36 AM
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I guess coming from someone who digs the looks of a Nissan, it's understandable that you have no aesthetic sensibilities. I know I shouldn't respond to trolls - it just encourages them - so I'll stop now before lowering myself any further.
lol! You're making too many false assumptions...

If you'd like to know something about me, personally, before posting, just ask. Otherwise it reduces your internet credibility (not sure how to measure this).

But - the Dino brought unique traits to the brand.

The California - what does it bring?
Front Engine? 599 (and more powerful)
RWD? 599, 458, F430, etc...
Dual clutch? Every current Ferrari
Convertible? 458, 599, etc...

Just sayin'. Perhaps you know of a unique trait that would separate the California from other contemporary Ferraris, that would lead to a higher premium years from now. Maybe I am overlooking something. It is the one Ferrari that I've made no attempt to drive. It could be that I'm missing something blatantly obvious to others.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
lol! You're making too many false assumptions...

If you'd like to know something about me, personally, before posting, just ask. Otherwise it reduces your internet credibility (not sure how to measure this).

But - the Dino brought unique traits to the brand.

The California - what does it bring?
Front Engine? 599 (and more powerful)
RWD? 599, 458, F430, etc...
Dual clutch? Every current Ferrari
Convertible? 458, 599, etc...

Just sayin'. Perhaps you know of a unique trait that would separate the California from other contemporary Ferraris, that would lead to a higher premium years from now. Maybe I am overlooking something. It is the one Ferrari that I've made no attempt to drive. It could be that I'm missing something blatantly obvious to others.

So you're saying a car has to have unique qualities, otherwise it's not worth driving? And you drive a GTR? Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. IMHO the California is a very beautiful car. It's maybe not the best Ferrari ever built, but all the other ones you name aren't that either.
But it's a personal taste, just as your personal taste bought you a GTR. Nothing wrong with that. If everyone had the same taste we all would drive a 911

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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzy991
So you're saying a car has to have unique qualities, otherwise it's not worth driving? And you drive a GTR? Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. IMHO the California is a very beautiful car. It's maybe not the best Ferrari ever built, but all the other ones you name aren't that either.
But it's a personal taste, just as your personal taste bought you a GTR. Nothing wrong with that. If everyone had the same taste we all would drive a 911

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I have absolutely no idea what any of that has to do with my response to this comment:

Originally Posted by SanibelSpeed
Yeah, sure, just as the Ferrari Dino didn't count as a real Ferrari when it was introduced with a V6 mid-engine, and now they routinely sell for $200K, being highly collectible and desirable Ferraris.
Suzy, if there is relevancy, please point it out. I don't see anywhere that I stated that something must be unique about a car that makes it worth driving. Please provide any message I made (stated or implied) that would lead to that.

And how did mentioning the GT-R bring any substance to this discussion? Is there some kind of prejudgment that is made of my posts based on my avatar (or screen name), that would lead to the Dino being highly collectable and desireable? Because that would be pretty cool that you can tell so much from that.

But - what does that say about this guy?:

Originally Posted by terrence
Haha! You are so right!
(He's got a 911 for his avatar)
 

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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
The California does not count as a Ferrari, so this post is disqualified.
Originally Posted by jaspergtr
I never said anything bad about the Dino...

But the California..., I mean - look at it! It disqualifies itself.
Originally Posted by jaspergtr
lol! You're making too many false assumptions...

If you'd like to know something about me, personally, before posting, just ask. Otherwise it reduces your internet credibility (not sure how to measure this).

But - the Dino brought unique traits to the brand.

The California - what does it bring?
Front Engine? 599 (and more powerful)
RWD? 599, 458, F430, etc...
Dual clutch? Every current Ferrari
Convertible? 458, 599, etc...

Just sayin'. Perhaps you know of a unique trait that would separate the California from other contemporary Ferraris, that would lead to a higher premium years from now. Maybe I am overlooking something. It is the one Ferrari that I've made no attempt to drive. It could be that I'm missing something blatantly obvious to others.
I'm talking about the California, not the Dino.
You said that the Dino did bring unique traits to the brand and that the California didn't as you pointed out.

You didn't see the California as a real Ferrari. That's your opinion and that's OK.

I wasn't insulting anybody here, just pointed out my opnion, just like you did. But if I did upset you, that was not what I wanted, so I'm sorry for that.
Just was trying to point out that it's all a matter of personal taste.

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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 10:26 AM
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Anyone else think of a scared whale shark when they see this?



I don't think it looks horrible from every angle, but I'm not a fan of it's rear. I can say I think the back of the FF is worse. To each their own.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 10:57 AM
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Anyone else think of a scared whale shark when they see this?



I don't think it looks horrible from every angle, but I'm not a fan of it's rear. I can say I think the back of the FF is worse. To each their own.
lol! I do now! Dammit.

The FF was the 'other' Ferrari I try really hard to forget that they made. I saw some really creative names for what 'FF' actually stood for.

My hopes were really high, because of the AWD initiative that Ferrari brought with the FF. I loved the forward thinking they had of engaging and disengaging the AWD in certain gears. Interesting to see where that technology leads.
 
Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzy991
I'm talking about the California, not the Dino.
You said that the Dino did bring unique traits to the brand and that the California didn't as you pointed out.

You didn't see the California as a real Ferrari. That's your opinion and that's OK.

I wasn't insulting anybody here, just pointed out my opnion, just like you did. But if I did upset you, that was not what I wanted, so I'm sorry for that.
Just was trying to point out that it's all a matter of personal taste.

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Roger. I saw no insults - I just had difficulty seeing relevance.

I dislike the California, because I feel it was unfair that the project lead for that car was holding a gun to someone's head when the pictures came out, showing the company what it was supposed to look like... I also believe that the project lead said,"We'll introduce the car, but if it gets unfavorable reviews on the looks, we'll give it an American name, and blame Americans on the subdued disproportionate understated lines." I do feel as if (performance wise) it has been eclipsed by the rest of the Ferrari stable, and I also believe that no new unique characteristic would make it highly desirable (read: selling more than double its original sticker) 20 years from now.

As a basis of comparison, I'd place the 430 Scuderia among one of the best looking modern Ferraris (up there with the 599GTO).
 

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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jaspergtr
Roger.

I dislike the California, because I feel it was unfair that the project lead for that car was holding a gun to someone's head when the pictures came out, showing the company what it was supposed to look like... I also believe that the project lead said,"We'll introduce the car, but if it gets unfavorable reviews on the looks, we'll give it an American name, and blame Americans on the subdued disproportionate understated lines." I do feel as if (performance wise) it has been eclipsed by the rest of the Ferrari stable, and I also believe that no new unique characteristic would make it highly desirable (read: selling more than double its original sticker) 20 years from now.

As a basis of comparison, I'd place the 430 Scuderia among one of the best looking modern Ferraris (up there with the 599GTO).
That makes a lot more sense to me
Personally I like the California somehow. Although I don't like retractable hardtops, IMO the California is one of the best looking cars with a retractable hardtop.
Or mayby I should say: one of the best effords on that subject.

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