Drove a 458 today...
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They're playing in a different league. Alfa can be seen as the sporty affordable arm of Fiat and Ferrari the luxury brand of Fiat. Both Alfa and Ferrari are owned by Fiat unfortunatly. Fiat is a clear example of how mismanagement can cause its damage on a historical car company like Alfa Romeo. Luckily Ferrari still has the soul of Enzo floating around the factory and they didn't let Fiat interfere to much. Alfa on the other hand is completely Fiatized.... 
VW is bidding for about 5 years now to buy Alfa without succes. I hate to say t but I think Alfa would be better off with VW as they are with Fiat. Buildquality has been a main issue for a long time and that's where VW's strongest point is.
I hope the very best. Would be a shame to lose a brand with such a great history.
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VW is bidding for about 5 years now to buy Alfa without succes. I hate to say t but I think Alfa would be better off with VW as they are with Fiat. Buildquality has been a main issue for a long time and that's where VW's strongest point is.
I hope the very best. Would be a shame to lose a brand with such a great history.
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Fiat has one absolutely fantastic car (Fiat 500 and especially the Abarth) but all the rest is rubbish. Same as Lancia. Another brand with a great history. Now Fiat ruined it completely by selling rebadged Chryslers as Lancia in Europe. How low can you go.... It once was a unique brand with unique designs. Now it's just a luxurious name to sell unsuccesful Chryslers that will probably never be populair Europe.
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Maserati isn't doing that well either, allthough being very pretty cars, they're not that well build and oldfashioned in terms of technology. The SatNav looks like it's 15 years old and buildquility is not that good either.
Fiat has one absolutely fantastic car (Fiat 500 and especially the Abarth) but all the rest is rubbish. Same as Lancia. Another brand with a great history. Now Fiat ruined it completely by selling rebadged Chryslers as Lancia in Europe. How low can you go.... It once was a unique brand with unique designs. Now it's just a luxurious name to sell unsuccesful Chryslers that will probably never be populair Europe.
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Fiat has one absolutely fantastic car (Fiat 500 and especially the Abarth) but all the rest is rubbish. Same as Lancia. Another brand with a great history. Now Fiat ruined it completely by selling rebadged Chryslers as Lancia in Europe. How low can you go.... It once was a unique brand with unique designs. Now it's just a luxurious name to sell unsuccesful Chryslers that will probably never be populair Europe.
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Point taken. But then why is ferrari riding on such a huge wave of success in recent times. Their ergonomics are inferior, the sat nav (an option I would not bother ordering on a ferrari) is nothing to write home about and build quality issues exist. Ferrari is not big on luxury, a lexus would give you more of that. So it's basically just their name and high performance engines and sound?
That is also why a 911 doesn't have true competitors in terms of being a very good 2+2 sportscar on the road and on the track and at the same time being a car you can easily live with every day.
Benefits of a Ferrari and a Maserati in one car...? There's no substitute
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to me the 458 is simply fantastic, tremendous feel and driving dynamics at any speed, well balanced and fast...
from the current cars you can simply go buy right now the 458 is my second favorite car after the Aventador, right in third is the 997 GT3 RS and fourth the R8 V10 GT... the 458 is an amazing machine really
from the current cars you can simply go buy right now the 458 is my second favorite car after the Aventador, right in third is the 997 GT3 RS and fourth the R8 V10 GT... the 458 is an amazing machine really
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And I thought the photo deserved a second post.
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458 and 991
Here is my two cents 
, most of us can probably agree on comparing a 458 and 991 is like apple to oranges. A more informative comparison over certain aspect of each car will need more than just a short drive. 991 is an excellent sport car, but driving a 458 is a different level of experience. Both are great car.
, most of us can probably agree on comparing a 458 and 991 is like apple to oranges. A more informative comparison over certain aspect of each car will need more than just a short drive. 991 is an excellent sport car, but driving a 458 is a different level of experience. Both are great car.
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Here is my two cents , most of us can probably agree on comparing a 458 and 991 is like apple to oranges. A more informative comparison over certain aspect of each car will need more than just a short drive. 991 is an excellent sport car, but driving a 458 is a different level of experience. Both are great car.
, most of us can probably agree on comparing a 458 and 991 is like apple to oranges. A more informative comparison over certain aspect of each car will need more than just a short drive. 991 is an excellent sport car, but driving a 458 is a different level of experience. Both are great car..., where have you been MDC??
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To me, the 458 is really on a different level to Porsche.
Although, the 991 is a wonderful car, the brand and cost push Ferrari to the next level in terms of prestige.
It's very common to see 991's on the street everyday. 458's on the other hand come out really only on weekends here.
Although, the 991 is a wonderful car, the brand and cost push Ferrari to the next level in terms of prestige.
It's very common to see 991's on the street everyday. 458's on the other hand come out really only on weekends here.
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hibernating enjoying the twisty mountain roads
enjoying the twisty mountain roads
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Apples-to-apples, you'd have to compare the new 458 Scuderia to the GT3 and guess who comes out on top?
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Indeed this is a gorgeous pic. I love the side view, love the view of the back. But am I the only one here that can't stand the frontal view of the 458 ? Those light clusters look .. well, I don't have a word for it ..
To me, the 991 is a much prettier car !
But as a sportscar, dynamically, the 458 is probably on top. As a complete package though, the 458 can't touch the 991 for me.
To me, the 991 is a much prettier car !
But as a sportscar, dynamically, the 458 is probably on top. As a complete package though, the 458 can't touch the 991 for me.
to me the 458 is simply fantastic, tremendous feel and driving dynamics at any speed, well balanced and fast...
from the current cars you can simply go buy right now the 458 is my second favorite car after the Aventador, right in third is the 997 GT3 RS and fourth the R8 V10 GT... the 458 is an amazing machine really
from the current cars you can simply go buy right now the 458 is my second favorite car after the Aventador, right in third is the 997 GT3 RS and fourth the R8 V10 GT... the 458 is an amazing machine really