FullT.... I'm trying to follow all this and am trying to keep a constructive attitude to your posts but they're getting hard to follow and so full of narrow minded assumptions.

Anyway i did say this thread was open to rants. You do know what happens to the bard in Asterix during every banquet right?

 

Which assumption, and how is it narrow minded?

 

FT, a lot of what I would state has been posted by others but I'm just going to take a nibble at your bait and then for all our sakes I'll leave it. Let's take just one of your posts....

Here's one assumption you make...it is also narrow minded. Its about who PDK is better suited for....."someone who really isn't skilled with shifting or spend most of their time in traffic..."... I have a PDK so are you are making those assumptions about me? You'd be wrong on both counts.

Look, its clear that you haven't spent a significant amount of time in a 991 with or without PDK. That's what your opinion about PDK is based on! 991 PDK comparisons with race or sequential boxes, and other statements about your racing experience, are pretty much irrelevant as we are dealing with a street car.

Let's just leave it there.

 

Mentions of track driving in this thread started in posts #27 & #30 - and not by me. I didn't respond about off-road performance until post #48, after you called directly called me out as a 997 owner.

There was another post that I won't quote (I'm not trying to pick a fight) that called the PDK "brilliant" based on driving it on a track - but by someone who appears to have nearly no track experience, and only in comparison to another 991 with 7MT.

My point is that when put in a real track duty situation vs. other options, the PDK really ain't all that great - it's not a F1 piece by any stretch of the imagination, and isn't even ahead of current manual tech. Add to that the fact that its biggest benefit - faster acceleration - is nearly useless in real-world street driving (legally), and I just don't see all the fuss.

As for whether or not I've driven a 991 PDK, how many hours of test-driving is required to make a valid determination? If a 15-minute test drive exposes enough flaws for me to decide I'm really not interested, why should I invest more time in it?

You're the one who called me out by name in post #45; how did you expect me to respond?

 

This is the bio from Porsche Driving School's website of the lead instructor, Rich Hull, who told me in no uncertain terms that he holds the 911 with PDK in his highest esteem and would choose a 911C2S with PDK over any other Porsche for his own personal car. I hazard to guess that he has a lot more track experience than anyone on this forum.

Richard Hull
Instructor

Rich brings a unique combination of skills to the Porsche Sport Driving School. An Atlanta native, his racing career started in the 70s with the American Motorcycle Association racing in the deserts and mountains of the West. Upon graduating from college, Rich launched a successful sales and marketing career with IBM and started a family. Racing seemed to fade into the background and the “racing virus” lay dormant until 1991 when the “need for speed” was again awakened. Over the intervening years, Rich has raced and won in a variety of venues including karts, autocross and SCCA, focusing on tracks in the Southeast near his home. Rich has a history and passion for training others in high performance driving. Before “quitting the day job” in 2001 to focus solely on motorsports and teaching, Rich was active as an instructor for the SCCA in Solo II and Club Racing. Rich’s racing background, when combined with his extensive business and teaching experience, brings a valuable perspective to the Porsche Sport Driving School.

 

FT, this is a public poll. All those who vote are viewable to anyone....just click the poll numbers. All I did was list those that had voted NO and list out the car they drive....it's in your profile or sig.

Btw, I do think that my comment and posting the pic of the bard was unfair and a bit ott. So my apologies if I offended you.

FT, let's move on.

 

Haku, apparently your poll was misconstrued by most and seen as yet another opportunity to rehash this pointless debate.

In spite of what your poll results suggest, folks have apparently not had enough of this tired topic, which goes to show that polls can in fact be inaccurate.

It does however reveal one sad thing - the obnoxiousness and rudeness of some of these comments prove the degradation in civility brought on by the comfort and anonymity of online forums.

You really did try and for that you deserve rep points (not that you need them).

PS. Asterix was far too ahead of his time...

 

dux, thank you for your post and highlighting the reason for the poll. It's quite amusing that the thread digressed into so many different issues.... including ones not at all related to the topic.

The real disappointment for me has been that more hasn't been discussed about Asterix and the bard Cacophonix! What better reason to go OT. I agree, way ahead of his time!

 

Ha! You hit the nail on the head! And it is exactly why I voted NO because this topic will never end. I was being a bit satirical and don't have a dog in this hunt, but this debate will continue till the last MT is built (and beyond).

I still enjoy a MT, and do drive it well and smoothly on street and track. Never owned a PDK, and would only consider a 981/991 variant in the future. My 997 is not a DD, so I really don't need the traditional "auto" feature. To me the engagement with the vehicle and the road is primary, fast lap be damned.

Let the battle rage........

 

I do enjoy my launch control. Weeeeeeee! Enjoyment you say. Indeed, gentlemen. Indeed.

 

Oh I thought I was clear in the questions. It was about whether YOU, the voter has had enough of the topic! You voted NO which also implies that you have not had enough and want more discussion.

Ah well.... and to think that English is not my first language!

 

Your English is just fine.. Some will argue just for the sake of arguing because they enjoy that or have low self esteem and in a relatively anonymous environment can make up facts and credentials thinking anyone actually cares what they think..

 

What? Not even a C+ for imagination. Dang. Tough crowd.

 

Very cool.. I've always figured launch control was useless .. But it gives me ideas for getting on the freeway

And the f18 cat.... 50 bucks someone around here will argue that there isn't enough torque and they need an f22

 

If only you were joking....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread202946/pg1

Yikes.